Rules of Conduct for this newsgroup

[kurttrail]

artfudd wrote:

> I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred
> method in all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too
> immature to understand that, as you abundantly demonstrate.

Please cite where top posting is the "preferred method in all MS
newsgroups."

If you cannot, then is making sh*t up really mature?

>
> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good
> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below)
> is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so
> that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired) automatically mark and
> remove the sig block in replies. http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

Yep, and top posting breaks that so that everything below the sig, the
post you are replying to, gets removed along with the sig.

> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the
> difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect
> others, and some don't..

So explain to us why you are going after Alias, but not Frank?

Does somebody have a double standard? Is that mature and intelligent?

--
Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The fact that I do know something about Christianity made it
>>>>>>>>> easier not to believe in the crap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right, you're rationalizations only prove just how dumb you
>>>>>>>> really are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that I think that everything
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the Bible says, or other books say, is false or no good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're a real fringe element loser. We all know that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who said I ever threw the first stone you lying son a bit*h?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not the point of the quote, clueless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You never have a real point spot!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now in addition to being an admitted liar & thief and now a
>>>>>>>>>>>> hypocrite...WoW!
>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW's a real loser!
>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll pay as*hole...hahaha...LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pay for what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your sins you ignorant POS!
>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Realistic people call that getting effects from causes made,
>>>>>>>>> some good, some bad, some not so good, some not so bad and
>>>>>>>>> everything in between.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Realistic people'...yeah right...you've got a rationalization
>>>>>>>> for every one of your "sins' don't you...good luck on that one
>>>>>>>> loser!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You and other clueless Christians think that Jesus died for you
>>>>>>>>> sins.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Clueless"...hahahha...now that is really funny!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL! What a cop out!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, there is no "copping out' from your sins...you will pay and
>>>>>>>> you know it.
>>>>>>>> You're just barely smart enough to out smart yourself.
>>>>>>>> The perfect fool...LOL!
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess you'd better take the red pill, being as the blue one
>>>>>>> didn't work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I own you...LOL!
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, the yellow one then.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're really into drugs aren't you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not at all, although I was speaking about your meds,...
>>
>>
>> My meds?...sorry sport, but I'm not on any "meds".
>>
>> not recreational
>>
>>> drugs.
>>>
>> So you're using recreational drugs, huh?
>> Figures.
>>
>>>> Is that the root cause for your lying, spamming, trolling and
>>>> bigoted ways?
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't lie, spam, troll and I'm not a bigot.
>>
>>
>> Liar!
>
>
> Of course, Frank the Wank can't name one lie or show us one spam of
> mine, much less prove I am a bigot. In addition, Frank the Wank keeps
> claiming I'm a Mexican and therefore inferior. Frank the Wank is getting
> famous for projecting.
>
>>
>> Those are figments of your
>>
>>> twisted and lame imagination in a pathetic attempt to cover up your
>>> faults.
>>
>>
>> They're factual truths and everyone here know it.
>> Get some help...well...I doubt you're capable of admitting you need help.
>> Frank
>
>
> No, they are not "factual truths" (didn't they teach you about
> redundancy in school, Wank?).
>
> Alias

Yawn.
Keep up the lying...you don't want ruin your image...LOL!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> artfudd wrote:
>
>> I don't post in Usenet..
>
>
> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?
>
>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS newsgroups.
>
>
> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.
>
>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that, as
>> you abundantly demonstrate.
>
>
> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and
> mingle with the common folk, willya?
>
>>
>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good
>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url
>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature
>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)
>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.
>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>
>
> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.
>
>>
>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires -
>> the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to
>> respect others, and some don't..
>
>
> Respect is earned, not a given.
>
> Alias

"Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell out
of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for a human
being talking about "respect'...LOL!
Too funny!
Frank

 

[PD43]

"artfudd" <nobodyhome@notanemail.ca> wrote:

>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred method in
>all MS newsgroups

Not in Usenet

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:41:58 -0700, "artfudd"
<nobodyhome@notanemail.ca> wrote:

>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred method in
>all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand
>that, as you abundantly demonstrate.
>
>BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good Net-Keeping Seal
>of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below) is to use a (two hyphens,
>a space, and a return) signature delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can
>(if desired) automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.
>http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>
>Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the
>difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect others,
>and some don't..

Just so you will know from now on, "artfudd".
1) ALL MSNEWGROUPS are served by the USENET SERVER,
"msnews.microsoft.com".

2) Because of this, your posts appear on the USENET, whether you think
they do or not. Additionally, if they appear on ANY OTHER SERVER, it
is because they are "mirrored", not the ORIGINALS, which are posted
to, and kept on, the Microsoft Usenet Server.

3)The MAJORITY of the Usenet prefers one to use INLINE posting, rather
than EITHER bottom or top posting.

4) "Top Posting versus Bottom Posting" is NOT "the normal or preferred
method in all MS newsgroups". It is simply the CONVENTION (as opposed
to "rule") which Usenet-illiterate folks EVERYWHERE use, not just the
Microsoft Usenet groups, until they are persuaded to use Inline
posting.

4) The 20 or so Microsoft Usenet groups served by msnews.microsoft.com
are a SMALL percentage of the TOTAL of over a HUNDRED THOUSAND Usenet
groups.

5) NOTE that the GNKSA is NOTHING more than an ADVISORY of PREFERRED
methods to build USENET Newsreaders (i.e., "a BOOK OF CONVENTIONS for
Usenet Client construction", NOT a "Usenet Rule book".)

6) If you don't know the difference between a "CONVENTION" and a
"RULE", I advise you to read the DICTIONARY, and NOT "Wikipedia".


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:19:42 -0500, PD43 <pauld1943@comcast.net>
wrote:

>"artfudd" <nobodyhome@notanemail.ca> wrote:
>
>>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred method in
>>all MS newsgroups
>
>Not in Usenet

This is because the Microsoft community groups are a TINY percentage
of the TOTAL number of Usenet groups, which is somewhere around
160,000 at present.

If they never see any other groups than Microsoft's, they would
probably think top-posting is the "normal, preferred" method in all MS
newsgroups. Understandable.

The actuality is, the majority of those posting to Microsoft's
Communities are simply Usenet-illiterate, and have no idea what the
Usenet is, or what the conventions used by the majority of Usenet
posters are.

NOTE mr. "artfudd's" ignorance about where his posts are actually
going: "I don't post in Usenet..."

Yes, mr. "artfudd", you do.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

 

[kurttrail]

Donald L McDaniel wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:41:58 -0700, "artfudd" <nobodyhome@notanemail.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred
>>method in all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too
>>immature to understand that, as you abundantly demonstrate.
>>
>>BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good
>>Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below)
>>is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so
>>that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired) automatically mark and
>>remove the sig block in replies. http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>>
>>Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the
>>difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect
>>others, and some don't..
>
> Just so you will know from now on, "artfudd". 1) ALL MSNEWGROUPS are
> served by the USENET SERVER, "msnews.microsoft.com".
>
> 2) Because of this, your posts appear on the USENET, whether you think
> they do or not. Additionally, if they appear on ANY OTHER SERVER, it is
> because they are "mirrored", not the ORIGINALS, which are posted to, and
> kept on, the Microsoft Usenet Server.
>
> 3)The MAJORITY of the Usenet prefers one to use INLINE posting, rather
> than EITHER bottom or top posting.
>
> 4) "Top Posting versus Bottom Posting" is NOT "the normal or preferred
> method in all MS newsgroups". It is simply the CONVENTION (as opposed
> to "rule") which Usenet-illiterate folks EVERYWHERE use, not just the
> Microsoft Usenet groups, until they are persuaded to use Inline posting.
>
> 4) The 20 or so Microsoft Usenet groups served by msnews.microsoft.com
> are a SMALL percentage of the TOTAL of over a HUNDRED THOUSAND Usenet
> groups.
>
> 5) NOTE that the GNKSA is NOTHING more than an ADVISORY of PREFERRED
> methods to build USENET Newsreaders (i.e., "a BOOK OF CONVENTIONS for
> Usenet Client construction", NOT a "Usenet Rule book".)
>
> 6) If you don't know the difference between a "CONVENTION" and a "RULE",
> I advise you to read the DICTIONARY, and NOT "Wikipedia".
>
>
> Donald L McDaniel
> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
> ================================================

Did you noticed that your post was a bottom post, not inline?

To me inline, is just a variation on the bottom post. When replying to a
post that is long, and covers a number of topics, I tend to inline post
in reply. Otherwise, I bottom post.

When I first started posting to msnewsgroups, I top-posted, but gradually
I shifted to inline posting, which led to bottom posting.

So watch out when inline posting, it is the gateway drug to that terrible
scourge that is bottom posting, and that leads to gay marriage and the
destruction of the family! )

--
Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:02:43 GMT, kurttrail
<dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote:

>Donald L McDaniel wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:41:58 -0700, "artfudd" <nobodyhome@notanemail.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred
>>>method in all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too
>>>immature to understand that, as you abundantly demonstrate.
>>>
>>>BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good
>>>Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below)
>>>is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so
>>>that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired) automatically mark and
>>>remove the sig block in replies. http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>>>
>>>Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the
>>>difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect
>>>others, and some don't..
>>
>> Just so you will know from now on, "artfudd". 1) ALL MSNEWGROUPS are
>> served by the USENET SERVER, "msnews.microsoft.com".
>>
>> 2) Because of this, your posts appear on the USENET, whether you think
>> they do or not. Additionally, if they appear on ANY OTHER SERVER, it is
>> because they are "mirrored", not the ORIGINALS, which are posted to, and
>> kept on, the Microsoft Usenet Server.
>>
>> 3)The MAJORITY of the Usenet prefers one to use INLINE posting, rather
>> than EITHER bottom or top posting.
>>
>> 4) "Top Posting versus Bottom Posting" is NOT "the normal or preferred
>> method in all MS newsgroups". It is simply the CONVENTION (as opposed
>> to "rule") which Usenet-illiterate folks EVERYWHERE use, not just the
>> Microsoft Usenet groups, until they are persuaded to use Inline posting.
>>
>> 4) The 20 or so Microsoft Usenet groups served by msnews.microsoft.com
>> are a SMALL percentage of the TOTAL of over a HUNDRED THOUSAND Usenet
>> groups.
>>
>> 5) NOTE that the GNKSA is NOTHING more than an ADVISORY of PREFERRED
>> methods to build USENET Newsreaders (i.e., "a BOOK OF CONVENTIONS for
>> Usenet Client construction", NOT a "Usenet Rule book".)
>>
>> 6) If you don't know the difference between a "CONVENTION" and a "RULE",
>> I advise you to read the DICTIONARY, and NOT "Wikipedia".
>>
>>
>> Donald L McDaniel
>> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
>> ================================================
>
>Did you noticed that your post was a bottom post, not inline?

I felt that it was not necessary in this case.

>
>To me inline, is just a variation on the bottom post. When replying to a
>post that is long, and covers a number of topics, I tend to inline post
>in reply. Otherwise, I bottom post.

Me too..

>
>When I first started posting to msnewsgroups, I top-posted, but gradually
>I shifted to inline posting, which led to bottom posting.

I did also, simply because I first started out using Outlook Express,
rather than a formal Usenet client. Since OE did not have the ability
to automatically "bottom post" at that time, that is what I initially
used.

Once I discovered Forte's Agent Newsreader, and the FULL Usenet, I
gradually came to believe that inline-posting was the best way. At
least for me. I cannot speak for anyone else.

Heck, I even got into arguments over top-versus-bottom for years. It
appears that the ONLY ones who PREFER top-posting are the NOVICES who
seem forced to post idiotic crap in these particular newsgroups. (I've
done my share of idiotic posts, so don't accuse me of being "high and
mighty", please.)

>
>So watch out when inline posting, it is the gateway drug to that terrible
>scourge that is bottom posting, and that leads to gay marriage and the
>destruction of the family! )

I prefer the "gateway drug", "mota verde", rather than some kind of
posting convention. The thing is, I've never been able to find the
vaunted "gateway" the Feds say I've probably entered by now (been
smokin' since the late 60's without harm, and without any thought or
desire to "upgrade").


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

 

[artfudd]

I post to a server that is owned by MS, and that it then gets picked up & posted
to whatever other servers and readers in the Usenet system is not my doing. I
abide by the protocol and rules if any, of the news server to which I am posting
regardless of the vehicle used. Wherever you receive your newsgroup postings
from does not change or negate the rules or guidelines of common courtesy
outlined by the particular newsgroup or newsgroup server that your post is aimed
at or in reply to.

Just because your posts are spread far and wide through the Usenet system does
not relieve you of the obligation (whether enforceable or not) of posting
according to the protocol set by the newsgroup or NG server you post to. In
other words you also are NOT posting specifically to 'Usenet', you *are* posting
(in this case) to the MS news server "msnews.microsoft.com" which does have
certain rules & guidelines (as posted by the original poster), and you *should*
abide by them out of the common courtesy practiced by most knowledgeable &
considerate Usenet users.

I have to agree with you that "Respect is earned, not a given"... obviously!
But whether earned or not, some people simply (appear to) not have the capacity
to 'give' respect.

--
Art (artfudd)
-----------------------
..
"Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
news:fu096o$5k6$2@aioe.org...
> artfudd wrote:
>> I don't post in Usenet..
>
> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?
>
>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS newsgroups.
>
> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.
>
>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that, as you
>> abundantly demonstrate.
>
> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and mingle
> with the common folk, willya?
>
>>
>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good Net-Keeping
>> Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below) is to use a (two
>> hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so that newsgroup & email
>> readers can (if desired) automatically mark and remove the sig block in
>> replies.
>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>
> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.
>
>>
>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the
>> difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect others,
>> and some don't..
>
> Respect is earned, not a given.
>
> Alias

 

[borate@yahoo.com]

/Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:
> Rules of conduct:

Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is
simple...

MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.

No other method will succeed.

 

[kurttrail]

borate wrote:

> /Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:
>> Rules of conduct:
>
> Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is
> simple...
>
> MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.
>
> No other method will succeed.

MS kinda does. Back when I used to post to xp.gen, I had plenty of posts
censored from the msnews servers.

http://microscum.com/censored

But I made it much easier for them by posting through their server. Now
I don't, and I'm sure many of my posts aren't on the msnews server, but
they are on most of the countless thousands of USENET servers that
propagate this group worldwide.

MS could conceivably make this a private registration only group, like
back when XP was in preview, but I don't ever see them doing it for their
commercial software products that are publicly available.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Adam Albright]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:27 -0700, borate@yahoo.com wrote:

>/Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:
>> Rules of conduct:
>
>Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is
>simple...
>
>MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.
>
>No other method will succeed.

You really don't have a clue do you.

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The fact that I do know something about Christianity made it
>>>>>>>>>> easier not to believe in the crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right, you're rationalizations only prove just how dumb you
>>>>>>>>> really are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that I think that everything
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the Bible says, or other books say, is false or no good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're a real fringe element loser. We all know that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who said I ever threw the first stone you lying son a bit*h?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not the point of the quote, clueless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You never have a real point spot!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now in addition to being an admitted liar & thief and now a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hypocrite...WoW!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW's a real loser!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll pay as*hole...hahaha...LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay for what?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your sins you ignorant POS!
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Realistic people call that getting effects from causes made,
>>>>>>>>>> some good, some bad, some not so good, some not so bad and
>>>>>>>>>> everything in between.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Realistic people'...yeah right...you've got a rationalization
>>>>>>>>> for every one of your "sins' don't you...good luck on that one
>>>>>>>>> loser!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You and other clueless Christians think that Jesus died for
>>>>>>>>>> you sins.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Clueless"...hahahha...now that is really funny!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL! What a cop out!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, there is no "copping out' from your sins...you will pay and
>>>>>>>>> you know it.
>>>>>>>>> You're just barely smart enough to out smart yourself.
>>>>>>>>> The perfect fool...LOL!
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess you'd better take the red pill, being as the blue one
>>>>>>>> didn't work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I own you...LOL!
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, the yellow one then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're really into drugs aren't you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not at all, although I was speaking about your meds,...
>>>
>>>
>>> My meds?...sorry sport, but I'm not on any "meds".
>>>
>>> not recreational
>>>
>>>> drugs.
>>>>
>>> So you're using recreational drugs, huh?
>>> Figures.
>>>
>>>>> Is that the root cause for your lying, spamming, trolling and
>>>>> bigoted ways?
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't lie, spam, troll and I'm not a bigot.
>>>
>>>
>>> Liar!
>>
>>
>> Of course, Frank the Wank can't name one lie or show us one spam of
>> mine, much less prove I am a bigot. In addition, Frank the Wank keeps
>> claiming I'm a Mexican and therefore inferior. Frank the Wank is
>> getting famous for projecting.
>>
>>>
>>> Those are figments of your
>>>
>>>> twisted and lame imagination in a pathetic attempt to cover up your
>>>> faults.
>>>
>>>
>>> They're factual truths and everyone here know it.
>>> Get some help...well...I doubt you're capable of admitting you need
>>> help.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> No, they are not "factual truths" (didn't they teach you about
>> redundancy in school, Wank?).
>>
>> Alias
>
> Yawn.
> Keep up the lying...you don't want ruin your image...LOL!
> Frank

Another out of it knee jerk reaction from our resident wank, Frank.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> artfudd wrote:
>>
>>> I don't post in Usenet..
>>
>>
>> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?
>>
>>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS newsgroups.
>>
>>
>> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.
>>
>>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that, as
>>> you abundantly demonstrate.
>>
>>
>> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and
>> mingle with the common folk, willya?
>>
>>>
>>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good
>>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url
>>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature
>>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)
>>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.
>>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>>
>>
>> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.
>>
>>>
>>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires -
>>> the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to
>>> respect others, and some don't..
>>
>>
>> Respect is earned, not a given.
>>
>> Alias
>
> "Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell out
> of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for a human
> being talking about "respect'...LOL!
> Too funny!
> Frank

LOL! Look who's on his phony high moral horse!

Alias

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that I do know something about Christianity made it
>>>>>>>>>>> easier not to believe in the crap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right, you're rationalizations only prove just how dumb you
>>>>>>>>>> really are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that I think that everything
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the Bible says, or other books say, is false or no good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're a real fringe element loser. We all know that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who said I ever threw the first stone you lying son a bit*h?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not the point of the quote, clueless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You never have a real point spot!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now in addition to being an admitted liar & thief and now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a hypocrite...WoW!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW's a real loser!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll pay as*hole...hahaha...LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay for what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your sins you ignorant POS!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Realistic people call that getting effects from causes made,
>>>>>>>>>>> some good, some bad, some not so good, some not so bad and
>>>>>>>>>>> everything in between.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Realistic people'...yeah right...you've got a rationalization
>>>>>>>>>> for every one of your "sins' don't you...good luck on that one
>>>>>>>>>> loser!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You and other clueless Christians think that Jesus died for
>>>>>>>>>>> you sins.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Clueless"...hahahha...now that is really funny!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL! What a cop out!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, there is no "copping out' from your sins...you will pay
>>>>>>>>>> and you know it.
>>>>>>>>>> You're just barely smart enough to out smart yourself.
>>>>>>>>>> The perfect fool...LOL!
>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess you'd better take the red pill, being as the blue one
>>>>>>>>> didn't work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I own you...LOL!
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, the yellow one then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're really into drugs aren't you?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all, although I was speaking about your meds,...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My meds?...sorry sport, but I'm not on any "meds".
>>>>
>>>> not recreational
>>>>
>>>>> drugs.
>>>>>
>>>> So you're using recreational drugs, huh?
>>>> Figures.
>>>>
>>>>>> Is that the root cause for your lying, spamming, trolling and
>>>>>> bigoted ways?
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't lie, spam, troll and I'm not a bigot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Liar!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course, Frank the Wank can't name one lie or show us one spam of
>>> mine, much less prove I am a bigot. In addition, Frank the Wank keeps
>>> claiming I'm a Mexican and therefore inferior. Frank the Wank is
>>> getting famous for projecting.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those are figments of your
>>>>
>>>>> twisted and lame imagination in a pathetic attempt to cover up your
>>>>> faults.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They're factual truths and everyone here know it.
>>>> Get some help...well...I doubt you're capable of admitting you need
>>>> help.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, they are not "factual truths" (didn't they teach you about
>>> redundancy in school, Wank?).
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Yawn.
>> Keep up the lying...you don't want ruin your image...LOL!
>> Frank
>
>
> Another out of it knee jerk reaction from our resident wank, Frank.
>
> Alias

Knee jerk? You're the one reacting...knee-jerking if you prefer, to all
of the truisms about you.
Well all know that mr liar.
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> artfudd wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't post in Usenet..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?
>>>
>>>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS
>>>> newsgroups.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.
>>>
>>>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that, as
>>>> you abundantly demonstrate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and
>>> mingle with the common folk, willya?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good
>>>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url
>>>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature
>>>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)
>>>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.
>>>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires -
>>>> the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to
>>>> respect others, and some don't..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respect is earned, not a given.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell
>> out of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for a
>> human being talking about "respect'...LOL!
>> Too funny!
>> Frank
>
>
> LOL! Look who's on his phony high moral horse!
>
> Alias

Hey sh*t-for-brains, I'm not on any any high moral horse. I'm just
pointing the irony of the most disrespectful vile POS for a human being
(that's you sport!) using the term "respect"!...LOL!
Frank

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> artfudd wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't post in Usenet..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?
>>>>
>>>>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS
>>>>> newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.
>>>>
>>>>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that,
>>>>> as you abundantly demonstrate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and
>>>> mingle with the common folk, willya?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good
>>>>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url
>>>>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature
>>>>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)
>>>>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.
>>>>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires
>>>>> - the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to
>>>>> respect others, and some don't..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Respect is earned, not a given.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> "Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell
>>> out of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for a
>>> human being talking about "respect'...LOL!
>>> Too funny!
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> LOL! Look who's on his phony high moral horse!
>>
>> Alias
>
> Hey sh*t-for-brains, I'm not on any any high moral horse. I'm just
> pointing the irony of the most disrespectful vile POS for a human being
> (that's you sport!) using the term "respect"!...LOL!
> Frank

If you can't take the heat, get the fuçk off my street. You can dish it
out but have a hissy fit when you have to take it, eh? What a wimp.

Alias

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> artfudd wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't post in Usenet..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?
>>>>>
>>>>>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS
>>>>>> newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that,
>>>>>> as you abundantly demonstrate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse
>>>>> and mingle with the common folk, willya?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good
>>>>>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url
>>>>>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature
>>>>>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)
>>>>>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.
>>>>>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires
>>>>>> - the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence
>>>>>> to respect others, and some don't..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Respect is earned, not a given.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell
>>>> out of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for
>>>> a human being talking about "respect'...LOL!
>>>> Too funny!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL! Look who's on his phony high moral horse!
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Hey sh*t-for-brains, I'm not on any any high moral horse. I'm just
>> pointing the irony of the most disrespectful vile POS for a human
>> being (that's you sport!) using the term "respect"!...LOL!
>> Frank
>
>
> If you can't take the heat, get the fuçk off my street. You can dish it
> out but have a hissy fit when you have to take it, eh? What a wimp.
>
> Alias

hehehe...more of your attempting to backpedal...keep it up...it's fun
watching you dig the hole your in deeper and deeper...LOL!
Frank

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:27 -0700, borate@yahoo.com wrote:

>/Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:
>> Rules of conduct:
>
>Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is
>simple...
>
>MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.
>
>No other method will succeed.
>

Everyone who participates in these newsgroups are already
"volunteers". That is what the these groups are all about. Voluntary
discussion of the pros and cons of the Vista Platform. No one forces
us to come here, and no one forces us to leave (hopefully).

WHO in God's name would want to even TRY to "moderate" the crazies in
here? You simply CAN'T "moderate" someone like Frank, for instance.
HE apparently has no tongue which can be moderated. And no "reason"
which can be reasoned with. Just leave the man alone, let his words
pass you by like an evil wind, and they will never harm you.

Most others in here do show SOME sense of decency and self-moderation,
and normally wouldn't need to be "moderated".

Microsoft has at least SOME trust in its customers, since they don't
moderate the microsoft.public.windows.* groups.

Perhaps a few of the more "immoderates", who are usually unwilling to
forego having the last word, could learn to moderate their OWN
behavior.

After all, WHY is it so important that "I" (whoever the "I" is) must
always be right? Sometimes, the "wrongest" thing a man can do is to
"be right".

I've been "right" many times, but ultimately did the WRONG thing by
insisting on my "rightness". While it is good to have a strong sense
of morality and virtue, if we are TRULY right, and TRULY act
virtuously, we will not need to claim our "rightness".

If one is "right", he is "right" whether another believes it or not.
And if one's actions are "virtuous", they will be apparent to all
around. There is no need to boast or brag about one's own virtues.

Both good and evil men recognize a good man, even without speaking.
Good men recognize other good men by their words and deeds to others.
Evil men, however, recognize good men only by the way they themselves
are treated.

IF they are treated well, they will recognize the goodness in the
good man. IF they are treated evily, they will recognize only evil in
the good OR evil man.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

 

[borate@yahoo.com]

/Donald L McDaniel/ said:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:27 -0700, borate@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> /Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:
>>> Rules of conduct:
>> Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is
>> simple...
>>
>> MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.
>>
>> No other method will succeed.
>>
>
> Everyone who participates in these newsgroups are already
> "volunteers". That is what the these groups are all about. Voluntary
> discussion of the pros and cons of the Vista Platform. No one forces
> us to come here, and no one forces us to leave (hopefully).
>
> WHO in God's name would want to even TRY to "moderate" the crazies in
> here? You simply CAN'T "moderate" someone like Frank, for instance.
> HE apparently has no tongue which can be moderated. And no "reason"
> which can be reasoned with. Just leave the man alone, let his words
> pass you by like an evil wind, and they will never harm you.
>
> Most others in here do show SOME sense of decency and self-moderation,
> and normally wouldn't need to be "moderated".
>
> Microsoft has at least SOME trust in its customers, since they don't
> moderate the microsoft.public.windows.* groups.
>
> Perhaps a few of the more "immoderates", who are usually unwilling to
> forego having the last word, could learn to moderate their OWN
> behavior.
>
> After all, WHY is it so important that "I" (whoever the "I" is) must
> always be right? Sometimes, the "wrongest" thing a man can do is to
> "be right".
>
> I've been "right" many times, but ultimately did the WRONG thing by
> insisting on my "rightness". While it is good to have a strong sense
> of morality and virtue, if we are TRULY right, and TRULY act
> virtuously, we will not need to claim our "rightness".
>
> If one is "right", he is "right" whether another believes it or not.
> And if one's actions are "virtuous", they will be apparent to all
> around. There is no need to boast or brag about one's own virtues.
>
> Both good and evil men recognize a good man, even without speaking.
> Good men recognize other good men by their words and deeds to others.
> Evil men, however, recognize good men only by the way they themselves
> are treated.
>
> IF they are treated well, they will recognize the goodness in the
> good man. IF they are treated evily, they will recognize only evil in
> the good OR evil man.
>
>
> Donald L McDaniel
> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
> ================================================

Lovely rhetoric, but of no import to the folks who need it.
This group is not intended to be an advocacy, Ubuntu or Linux forum.
Were I to moderate it (for pay!) the foolishness would end immediately.
It would revert to being useful and helpful, minus the distraction from
those whose mission in boredom is to be contentious and disruptive.