system freeze as Youtube web page loads

PCR · May 2, 2008

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:%23oA0Zh1qIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| PCR wrote:
| > porvoon raganan wrote:
| > | PCR wrote:
| > |> porvoon raganan wrote:

....snip
| > | I have not made up the word philosophaster...but Mr. Terhune has
made
| > | up his word. Creating new words is a sign of an excellent and
clever
| > | mind.
| >
| > That might depend upon just what word is invented, at least for the
| > excellence of it. But Terhune's words often are excellent enough--
even
| > as you never were thanatoid!
| >
|
| I did a quick run through the archives and see that Gary really did
have
| a lot to contribute...and as I just told him...I had misjudged him.
|

I saw that. It was heartening. I was glad.

....snip
| > |> | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a
| > |> | quick "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked
here
| > |> | could be answered with no need for this group at all.
| > |>
| > |> Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to
Win98
| > |> started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who
will
| > |> discuss it & talk it through!
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | You are very astute and have picked up on my point exactly!
| > | Though people are often chided for asking "such and such" a
question
| > | on a Usenet group...and are rightly told that they could have just
| > | found the answer on Google. Were it not for the open discussions
in
| > | the first place...there would be no such information on Google!
| >
| > Absolutely!
|
| Yes that is very true. I also think that continuing discussions are
| important...even on old subjects. New knowledge is always turned up!

Very true.

....snip
| > | I have searched a bit further at replies elsewhere and see you are
| > | correct there. That Philo character actually has given a bit of
decent
| > | enough advice and in a number of very non-related topics. Mr.
Terhune,
| > | though his scope is considerably more narrow, is indeed an expert
when
| > | it comes to Win98. I may go so far as to say, in fact...that he is
| > | *the* expert.
| >
| > He & other MVP's often will drop into a thread to correct flagrant
| > errors. Sometimes they do get rough. So?
|
| I have been on Usenet for quite a number of years and can honestly
| say up until I had come across Terhune...I had never seen an MVP loose
| it like that...but then again...I blew it too...So I can hardly be
critical!

I'm glad that's all blown over now. I'm really amazed too, considering
how rough that one got!

| > | Of course that clarifies his anger...as Win98 is now essentially
an
| > | all but dead operating system. With the advent of the "new and
| > | improved" operating system, Vista...it appears that all previous
| > | versions are being killed off as rapidly as possible.
| >
| > I believe that view to be a symptom of 3 months exposure to XP/Vista
| > irradiation. Is the middle toe of your left foot turning blue? Or
did
| > you just read that on the UseNet?
| >
| > | I certainly can
| > | understand Mr. Terhune having quite a degree of frustration over
that.
| >
| > No. He made the switch & only uses a Win98 simulator now-- on an XP
| > machine! Everyone here is filled with tears-- even philo! It may be
he
| > still occasionally will get his hands on an actual Win98 machine,
| > though. Also, his orneriness predates the advent of XP, I know.
|
|
| I suppose he was just born that way...but I think that to be an
| expert in a field...only to see it dwindle...may not have helped
either

He is pleased with XP, I think. It is good of him to remain here as well
on his simulator. No, he is expert & expects to be treated as such, is
all, when a topic of his expertise comes up. And I think you have
finally done it. Very good.

....snip
| > | You are correct again. I have no more authority here than Jimmy
Carter
| > | does in Palestine. Though I respect Carter for bring at least some
| > | type of peace to Israel and Egypt...Carter has no business going
to
| > | Palestine.
| >
| > His legitimate peacemaking ended with his Presidency. Now, neither
you
| > nor he are or can produce a letter from Napoleon out of your shoe!
| >
|
| Yes I remember his presidency well. He was a well meaning president...
| but of course, as the say...the road to hell is paved with good
intentions.

He did some good. It was that Iranian hostage crisis that did him in.
But Reagan was making deals behind closed doors, if I recall the whole
thing correctly.

| > | Now...as to that Philo character...as far as I can see...he only
| > | sometimes sticks to "tried/true" advice.(He has thousands of
postings
| > | on dozens of groups...so I only read a small portion of them. Many
of
| > | his replies are
| > | considerably "off the wall" and often wrong. The odd thing is...
| > | that once in a while he has picked up something all the other
experts
| > | have missed. It may simply be due to his ignorance. There are many
| > | fools out there who do something impossible simply because they
| > | didn't know better.
| >
| > I think philo is OK. He might be a bit more deferential, perhaps.
That
| > might be an improvement.
| >
|
|
| Glad you think Philo is OK...
| Sometimes I wonder about myself <G>

Yea, you are OK, philo, as far as I can see. I'm glad that means
something to you.

PCR · May 2, 2008

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:uh3pkx4qIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| I don't use Win98 on VPC, though I played with it for a few weeks last
year.

That's what I was remembering, then.

| I use an old Compaq (yuck!) to play with things 98. I have to rebuild
my old
| P200 after having to cannibalize it in an emergency. Slow but easy to
work
| on for my myriad testing purposes.

Mine is a Compaq! But I'm glad you go through that effort to stay here &
glad to see you have mended with philo.

| You do realize that you're talking to a total nutjob, right?

I'm not all that disciminatory.

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ukZEegzqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > porvoon raganan wrote:
| > | PCR wrote:
| > |> porvoon raganan wrote:
| > |> | Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| > |> |> Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this
| > |> |> group to great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but
that
| > |> |> DOESN'T mean that Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a
moron
| > |> |> for defending him. (Hey, how about you take off your mask.
| > |> |> Ashamed of being such a shameless philaphilopod?)
| > |> |>
| > |> |
| > |> | Mr. Terhune:
| > |> |
| > |> | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been
looking
| > |> | for is "philosophaster".
| > |>
| > |
| > | Phi`los´o`phas`ter
| > | n. 1. A pretender to philosophy.
| > |
| >
| > I've looked again & cannot find it in my Webster's New World
Dictionary
| > of the American Language, College Edition. However, this book is
old, &
| > the copyright page is missing. But I didn't see you were doing any
| > philosophastering, anyhow-- even if there is such a word!
| >
| > |
| > |> I can't find his word OR yours in my dictionary! But Terhune
likely
| > |> is intentionally making his up & possibly referencing...
| > |>
| > |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/
| > |> Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
| > |>
| > |> ..., thinking you are thanatoid, maybe!
| > |>
| > | I have not made up the word philosophaster...but Mr. Terhune has
made
| > | up his word. Creating new words is a sign of an excellent and
clever
| > | mind.
| >
| > That might depend upon just what word is invented, at least for the
| > excellence of it. But Terhune's words often are excellent enough--
even
| > as you never were thanatoid!
| >
| > |> | Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual
posts...
| > |> | I choose to reply simply to this central one.
| > |> |
| > |> | As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group
| > |> | moderator... but one who has no moderation authority on this
| > |> | group. I have been asked to read over the messages here by a
third
| > |> | party (which will go unnamed). It was suggested that I review
the
| > |> | posts and comment as necessary in an attempt to smooth over the
| > |> | "bad vibes" which only would tend to embarrass the host
| > |> | organization.
| > |>
| > |> You think we might believe you are...?...
| > |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041509/
| > |> The Inspector General (1949)
| > |>
| > |> | I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so
| > |> | and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a
look.
| > |>
| > |> As Terhune said, that may not be enough. We have been floating
here
| > |> for years!
| > |
| > |
| > | True. I have not posted on any Usenet group until recently...
| > | As I have mentioned somewhere...I am employed as a moderator
| > | elsewhere and I assure you...I am quite familiar with how Usenet
is
| > | structured.
| >
| > Very well.
| >
| > |> | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a
| > |> | quick "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked
here
| > |> | could be answered with no need for this group at all.
| > |>
| > |> Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to
Win98
| > |> started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who
will
| > |> discuss it & talk it through!
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | You are very astute and have picked up on my point exactly!
| > | Though people are often chided for asking "such and such" a
question
| > | on a Usenet group...and are rightly told that they could have just
| > | found the answer on Google. Were it not for the open discussions
in
| > | the first place...there would be no such information on Google!
| >
| > Absolutely!
| >
| > |> | However...most of the
| > |> | folks who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would
think
| > |> | that should not surprise you.)
| > |>
| > |> Most come here to help in a technical problem or to be helped.
| > |> Arguments & discussions can sometimes ensue, yea.
| > |>
| > |> | Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes
| > |> | themselves off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken
simply
| > |> | as that...Viz: Advice.
| > |>
| > |> It is helpful to have the MVPs & rare MS personnel around to
| > |> straighten things out! Novices may not know the difference
between
| > |> good & bad advice! (But I haven't seen MEB since that Scott
Hammer
| > |> MS personage got hold of him!)
| > |>
| > |> | You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and
I
| > |> | have read over his replies...and certainly must agree with
| > |> | you...he does often reply without great insight...but I have
found
| > |> | no intentional deception nor advice that would do much more
than
| > |> | perhaps waste a little time. Some of the advice (possibly just
by
| > |> | random chance) is correct... but as far as I can see...the vast
| > |> | majority of it is simply humor. (Or should I have said: quite
| > |> | *simple* humor ?)
| > |>
| > |> Philo comes up with his share of good advice. It is good to have
| > |> Terhune around to keep him & others on their toes, though!
| > |
| > |
| > | I have searched a bit further at replies elsewhere and see you are
| > | correct there. That Philo character actually has given a bit of
decent
| > | enough advice and in a number of very non-related topics. Mr.
Terhune,
| > | though his scope is considerably more narrow, is indeed an expert
when
| > | it comes to Win98. I may go so far as to say, in fact...that he is
| > | *the* expert.
| >
| > He & other MVP's often will drop into a thread to correct flagrant
| > errors. Sometimes they do get rough. So?
| >
| > | Of course that clarifies his anger...as Win98 is now essentially
an
| > | all but dead operating system. With the advent of the "new and
| > | improved" operating system, Vista...it appears that all previous
| > | versions are being killed off as rapidly as possible.
| >
| > I believe that view to be a symptom of 3 months exposure to XP/Vista
| > irradiation. Is the middle toe of your left foot turning blue? Or
did
| > you just read that on the UseNet?
| >
| > | I certainly can
| > | understand Mr. Terhune having quite a degree of frustration over
that.
| >
| > No. He made the switch & only uses a Win98 simulator now-- on an XP
| > machine! Everyone here is filled with tears-- even philo! It may be
he
| > still occasionally will get his hands on an actual Win98 machine,
| > though. Also, his orneriness predates the advent of XP, I know.
| >
| > |> | What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion...
| > |> | a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are
generally
| > |> | part of a learning process and will eventually be sorted out.
The
| > |> | only thing I can find this "Philo" character
| > |> | guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much.
| > |>
| > |> I must agree (not having credentials of my own & occasionally
making
| > |> a rare mistake), although I wouldn't say philo is the worst of
| > |> talkers. And I'm not, either!
| > |>
| > |> | On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as
| > |> | someone with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You
of
| > |> | all people should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A
| > |> | true professional should of course comment when he sees
incorrect
| > |> | information being posted...but you alone among all MVP's have
| > |> | stooped to name calling, foul language and argumentative
behavior.
| > |> | None of that is suitable for a professional!
| > |>
| > |> It's a rite of passage to suffer through Terhune's orneriness! I
had
| > |> to do it myself! But we all love him here! Don't chase off one of
| > |> few MVP's we've got left! He's always been full of valuable
| > |> information!
| > |>
| > |> | Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing
| > |> | one... but if you expect me to post my actual email address
| > |> | here...then you have a more serious problem than I thought!
| > |>
| > |> He may think you are that rouge thanatiod. You do have an
equivalent
| > |> command of the American language-- & a bit of the sting as well!
| > |>
| > |> | In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person
| > |> | and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you.
| > |>
| > |> I agree, but more thinker than sensitive.
| > |>
| > |> | My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither
| > |> | one of you have ever posted here before...and to start over
with a
| > |> | clean slate. As a totally isolated third party who can look at
the
| > |> | situation with perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing
about
| > |> | both you , Mr. Terhune and "Philo" is how very similar to each
| > |> | other are. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you two
were
| > |> | brothers who got into a fight over something quite
inconsequential.
| > |>
| > |> Terhune has more technical knowledge than philo (or me).
| > |>
| > |> | I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you...
| > |> | why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve
| > |> | your differences...then I see that there is still hope left in
| > |> | this world.
| > |>
| > |> I don't see that you are any more authorized to mediate this
thing
| > |> than Jimmy Carter was in Palestine. Terhune starts off rough.
It's
| > |> up to philo to mellow him by sticking only to tried/true
| > |> advice/suggestions.
| > |>
| > | You are correct again. I have no more authority here than Jimmy
Carter
| > | does in Palestine. Though I respect Carter for bring at least some
| > | type of peace to Israel and Egypt...Carter has no business going
to
| > | Palestine.
| >
| > His legitimate peacemaking ended with his Presidency. Now, neither
you
| > nor he are or can produce a letter from Napoleon out of your shoe!
| >
| > | Now...as to that Philo character...as far as I can see...he only
| > | sometimes sticks to "tried/true" advice.(He has thousands of
postings
| > | on dozens of groups...so I only read a small portion of them. Many
of
| > | his replies are
| > | considerably "off the wall" and often wrong. The odd thing is...
| > | that once in a while he has picked up something all the other
experts
| > | have missed. It may simply be due to his ignorance. There are many
| > | fools out there who do something impossible simply because they
| > | didn't know better.
| >
| > I think philo is OK. He might be a bit more deferential, perhaps.
That
| > might be an improvement.
| >
| > |> | If you two cannot resolve your differences...then I see the
entire
| > |> | world following this terrible path.
| > |> |
| > |> | I remain your obedient servant,
| > |> |
| > |> | P. R.
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > Should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| >
| >
|

thanatoid · May 2, 2008

Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
news:uj82F5BrIHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

<SNIP>

>|> Sometimes oldies are goodies, thanatoid!
>|
>| Huh??? Do you mean that talking in RL is better? Well, of
>| course, unless the person smells bad or is a moron you
>| just can't get away from (morons are REALLY good at not
>| legging you go), or when there is a good chance of getting
>| punched in the face

>
> I usually do like the distance & anonymity provided by the
> NET. It was only in real life that my octigenarian

octogenarian

> uncle
> punched me in the jaw after waving his fist thrice! I was
> just standing there looking at it!

Aren't old people FUN? And if you retaliate, YOU'RE the bad guy!

Did you DO anything to provoke this?

>| Or did you mean something else?
>
> The problem was I didn't understand what you meant or
> precisely what it was you were responding to in my post. I
> tried, but then gave up & said nonsense. Sorry. I hope you
> didn't spend too much time trying to figure it.

You may not have seen that particular statement but I have said
many times that the main purpose of my computer is to allow me
to kill time.

> What exactly is nuts?

Sorry, you'll have to go to the long post immediately preceding.
I can't remember the whole paragraph. I just HAD to correct
"visual" for "verbal" since it was crucial to the meaning and
while some people would have realized it was just a brain lapse
of an aging thanatoid, /someone/ would have jumped at the chance
of showing ME that I said something incorrect.

> Wait a minute. By Usenet, you refer
> to Google--

Please! Google is one of the evil 3 and IMO has NOTHING to do
with Usenet except for their insane idea of storing everything
forever. That may have seemed like a good idea 20 years ago but
now it's just insane. East Germany comes to mind. (And MS buying
out HoTMaiL, although IMO webmail was always a bad idea - it was
just a /novel/ and interesting idea at the time.)

> where only "the VERY old thing (is known) about
> 70-95% (of the time)"?

I meant 70-95% of communication is VISUAL.

> So, you were agreeing with me that
> live NG's are better, then?

What the hell is a "live" NG? All I can think of is a typed
chatroom where you can at least immediately clear up
misunderstandings, but it is still as dead as anything compared
to RL.

Of course, there are live chats with webcams, but AFAIK they are
used only by 2 groups of people - drunken college exhibitionists
and grandparents wanting to see their spawn of spawns. As for
normal people, I think they will fail for the same reason video-
phones never took off. Who wants to see the other person's ugly
morning-after face and sunken chest (or droopy bosom)? When I
think of what most people on the Usenet probably look like, I
can only be grateful it is purely a verbal medium. As Seinfeld
said, "Have you been to the DMV? It's a leper colony out there!"

> Fine! (Still, Google picks
> these things up fairly quickly.) Yea, & I see things are
> visual on the NET, not verbal.

No, things on the Usenet ARE verbal - are we looking at images
now, or at each other's (presumably - mine is) ugly mugs, or are
we using WORDS? Since you used the term NET, which DOES
encompass the dreaded WWW, then yes, the visual, unfortunately,
does come into play. Frankly, I wish it didn't. I am always
happy as heck to open a web page and find it is plain text. When
I want see nice things, I open an art book or a "Mayfair", or go
and look at the squirrels in the park.

>|> About whether you are him, I see now you never would
>|> spell as badly as porvoon raganan.
>|
>| Anal-retentive spelling obsession is one of the tell-tale
>| marks of a thanatoid post. And as I explained, I am not
>| into nymshifting and similar practices. I simply see no
>| point. I did it ONCE because I desperately needed to ask a
>| question in a tech group where EVERYONE with no exception
>| hated my guts and I knew I was either in all their KF's or
>| that they would never answer a thanatoid post.
>
> That's understandable, then, for you to do it once under
> that understandable circumstance.

Thank you for understanding. The SECOND (and I trust/hope, last)
time I needed a similar answer from the same group, I did /not/
nymshift and I was insulted by all except someone who was either
new to the group or perhaps for some reason wasn't around when I
had my battles with those jerks, and who actally gave me the
answer I needed.

>| After a few days someone guessed anyway - I
>| guess it was my writing style - and also the question
>| mentioned my primary computer which as you (by now surely
>| you *must* all know -) is a 10½ 166MHz running 95B (very
>| tweaked) and appears to be somewhat of a rarity.
>
> That is rare & amazing, to be using a Win95B. I admire it.

(I left out "yrs old" after 10½.)

It works great, in fact I will bet anything it boots and does
what it does (it certainly can NOT do /some/ things, but I have
a 2GHz running 98SE Lite for those) faster than a 3GHz Vista
machine. (I can live without transparency and shadows and MS
spyware and call-home trojans, (excuse me, updates) not to
mention it's nice to know I will be able to change something in
the machine without spending a week in a cybercafe {since /my/
machine will be dead} arguing with MS about licenses and their
peculiar views on reality.)

> I wasn't with MS machines back then. Win98SE was my first.
> I guess, if you can stick with that-- I'll never need to
> upgrade, myself! And I admire your writing ability as well,
> thanatoid. It is better than mine. (So is Terhune's when he
> gets at it.) And both of you almost certainly are smarter.

Now now. The older I get the more I realize how stupid I am. But
to make you feel worse (I am thanatoid, sorry) I will tell you
English is NOT my mother tongue. I /still/ have an accent - but
of course you will never hear it!

BTW, I think your English
is very good, /much/ better than most of your compatriots'.

>|> But I think with a name like
>|> his-- you should be more forgiving!
>|
>| I wasn't aware I was being critical or anything like that,
>| /or/ that there was anything to forgive.
>
> It can be interpreted that a correction in spelling is a
> criticism. But I'm sure it depends on the circumstances.
> But I was really trying to be funny.

OK. See, had we been TALKING in RL, I WOULD have gotten the
joke!

>| SInce I have some/most (?)
>| participants KF'd and I entered into the thread late, I am
>| fairly in the dark and just said what I felt should be
>| said, for better or worse.
>
> I'd have to go back & review it, myself.
>
>|> Also, his sting is only
>|> a tenth of yours (or even Terhune's!)
>|
>| I'll take that as a compliment,
>
> Did you see this one...!!?!!...
> news:OsOwsu4qIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
> Terhune's post to philo of 5/1/08 09:05 AM.
>
> Yikes! But he quickly apologized!

I am slightly tempted to visit the dreaded GG and see the whole
damn thread - but at least on philo's side peace seems to be
have prevailed. I still have Terhune KF'd so I don't know how HE
has responded to her - when *I* tried to make friends after an
argument he very violently rejected and insulted me. Whatever :-
)

I can't help wondering whether it was my only post to the thread
(except this discussion between us) where I mentioned it seemed
several people were ganging up on Terhune (not unlike in high
school, prison - same thing really -and other such pleasant
places) and that I found it objectionable in spite of my
personal experience with the individual in question. Wouldn't it
be super-ironic if that post had a /leetle/ to do with the
calming waters? (/Apparently/ - as I said, Terhune is still KF
over here, but philo is being very friendly and no one else has
insulted T. in the last few days.)

Then again, probably no one except you read it.

>| but frankly, this whole reply of
>| yours has me a little baffled. But that's OK. It's nothing
>| new. I can be quite dumb sometimes.
>
> I guess we all in the end are dumb, but it's relative among
> us.

Man is the stupidest animal, not to mention the only one that
kills for pleasure. WHY is it that cats can learn how to
defecate IN THE BOX /and/ clean themselves in like *10 days*
while it takes a moron human 2-5 years, if not more? (Needless
to say I have no children so I may be way off, but I know it's
WAY longer than with cats.)

Regards
t.

--
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite in so far, I mean,
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas
most people deserve none at all and again in so far as it
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

PCR · May 2, 2008

DaffyD® wrote:
| Haven't had the time to read all the posts, but from what I have
| read, this string is really, really good. A lot fun to read too!

It's been eventful. Good to see you back.

| --
| { : [|]=( DaffyD®
|
| If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
|
| "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message
| news

Jeff Richards · May 2, 2008

Saving bad clusters is not unknown - I have done it when the data in the
cluster was important enough. It involves using special software that
ignores the error in the bad sectors and reads the good sectors or, in some
cases, returns the data from the bad sector even though it was flagged as
corrupted. Often, just patching a few bytes from one sector restores the
whole cluster and it can be inserted back into the original file at the
correct location. It's not difficult work but it requires the right tools.

But it's not worth the effort unless the data is really valuable, which is
why I guessed you were saving lost clusters, not bad clusters.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message
news:7dhj14tlpdhp4c0iqrv6gqqf0h8l3r68nj@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 19:38:52 +1000, "Jeff Richards"
> <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote:
>
>>My guess is that you used to save _lost_ clusters - an entirely different
>>concept.
>>
>>Scandisk for XP and Vista isn't significantly different than the W98
>>version. OTOH, if you were using Norton tools then you will want to
>>change
>>anyway, regardless of whether or not they exist for those other OS.
>
> If I'd been using MS scandisk alone over the last 8 years I still
> probably wouldn't know clusters from cupcakes, bad, lost or whatever.
>
> The fact that original Norton tools didn't find later applications in
> the windows operating system is nothing for either MS or Symantec to
> crow about.
>
> RL
>
>

PCR · May 2, 2008

Re: system freeze as Youtube web page loads - CORRECTION

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in
| news:uj82F5BrIHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
|
| <SNIP>
|
|>|> Sometimes oldies are goodies, thanatoid!
|>|
|>| Huh??? Do you mean that talking in RL is better? Well, of
|>| course, unless the person smells bad or is a moron you
|>| just can't get away from (morons are REALLY good at not
|>| legging you go), or when there is a good chance of getting
|>| punched in the face

|>
|> I usually do like the distance & anonymity provided by the
|> NET. It was only in real life that my octigenarian
|
| octogenarian

Alright. Spell check won't work on its own when replying in context.

|> uncle
|> punched me in the jaw after waving his fist thrice! I was
|> just standing there looking at it!
|
| Aren't old people FUN? And if you retaliate, YOU'RE the bad guy!

Maybe. But I wouldn't retaliate in that case.

| Did you DO anything to provoke this?

I was in the act of throwing out old windows in panes that were sitting
on the property for 10 years at least. He said, "some people's garbage
is another person's treasure", waved his fists 3 times-- & hit me on the
4th! Then, he took them back to where they were.

|>| Or did you mean something else?
|>
|> The problem was I didn't understand what you meant or
|> precisely what it was you were responding to in my post. I
|> tried, but then gave up & said nonsense. Sorry. I hope you
|> didn't spend too much time trying to figure it.
|
| You may not have seen that particular statement but I have said
| many times that the main purpose of my computer is to allow me
| to kill time.

Yea, I saw it.

|> What exactly is nuts?
|
| Sorry, you'll have to go to the long post immediately preceding.
| I can't remember the whole paragraph. I just HAD to correct
| "visual" for "verbal" since it was crucial to the meaning and
| while some people would have realized it was just a brain lapse
| of an aging thanatoid, /someone/ would have jumped at the chance
| of showing ME that I said something incorrect.

You were correcting your own post? But I don't see it. I see your
correction attached to one of my posts-- the one of 4/29/08 11:38 PM.
That explains why I couldn't figure it, then!

|> Wait a minute. By Usenet, you refer
|> to Google--
|
| Please! Google is one of the evil 3 and IMO has NOTHING to do
| with Usenet except for their insane idea of storing everything
| forever. That may have seemed like a good idea 20 years ago but
| now it's just insane. East Germany comes to mind. (And MS buying
| out HoTMaiL, although IMO webmail was always a bad idea - it was
| just a /novel/ and interesting idea at the time.)

Well, that's one good search engine, though-- quick as anything for even
millions of hits.

|> where only "the VERY old thing (is known) about
|> 70-95% (of the time)"?
|
| I meant 70-95% of communication is VISUAL.

Turns out I was right the 1st time not to know what you were talking
about. I don't see the post you were responding to!

|> So, you were agreeing with me that
|> live NG's are better, then?
|
| What the hell is a "live" NG? All I can think of is a typed
| chatroom where you can at least immediately clear up
| misunderstandings, but it is still as dead as anything compared
| to RL.

I was making a distinction between a NG and a Google search of past
activity.

| Of course, there are live chats with webcams, but AFAIK they are
| used only by 2 groups of people - drunken college exhibitionists
| and grandparents wanting to see their spawn of spawns. As for
| normal people, I think they will fail for the same reason video-
| phones never took off. Who wants to see the other person's ugly
| morning-after face and sunken chest (or droopy bosom)? When I
| think of what most people on the Usenet probably look like, I
| can only be grateful it is purely a verbal medium. As Seinfeld
| said, "Have you been to the DMV? It's a leper colony out there!"

This machine came with Logitech QuickCam Express v.1.5.1, but I have
never connected it for similar reasons. Also, I am always in my
underwear.

|> Fine! (Still, Google picks
|> these things up fairly quickly.) Yea, & I see things are
|> visual on the NET, not verbal.
|
| No, things on the Usenet ARE verbal - are we looking at images
| now, or at each other's (presumably - mine is) ugly mugs, or are
| we using WORDS? Since you used the term NET, which DOES
| encompass the dreaded WWW, then yes, the visual, unfortunately,
| does come into play. Frankly, I wish it didn't. I am always
| happy as heck to open a web page and find it is plain text. When
| I want see nice things, I open an art book or a "Mayfair", or go
| and look at the squirrels in the park.

You know now I had no idea what I was looking at, that it was correction
to a post of your own. Tying to figure why you said it twice with one
word difference was the worst part of it. I ended up thinking you meant
only the spoken word is verbal, & the written one, visual. But it
remained puzzling why you would say it in that mysterious way or what it
had to do with anything.

|>|> About whether you are him, I see now you never would
|>|> spell as badly as porvoon raganan.
|>|
|>| Anal-retentive spelling obsession is one of the tell-tale
|>| marks of a thanatoid post. And as I explained, I am not
|>| into nymshifting and similar practices. I simply see no
|>| point. I did it ONCE because I desperately needed to ask a
|>| question in a tech group where EVERYONE with no exception
|>| hated my guts and I knew I was either in all their KF's or
|>| that they would never answer a thanatoid post.
|>
|> That's understandable, then, for you to do it once under
|> that understandable circumstance.
|
| Thank you for understanding. The SECOND (and I trust/hope, last)
| time I needed a similar answer from the same group, I did /not/
| nymshift and I was insulted by all except someone who was either
| new to the group or perhaps for some reason wasn't around when I
| had my battles with those jerks, and who actally gave me the
| answer I needed.

I was being a bit funny too, not just being understanding. Nevertheless,
you have paid a price for thinking of & treating others as jerks.

|>| After a few days someone guessed anyway - I
|>| guess it was my writing style - and also the question
|>| mentioned my primary computer which as you (by now surely
|>| you *must* all know -) is a 10½ 166MHz running 95B (very
|>| tweaked) and appears to be somewhat of a rarity.
|>
|> That is rare & amazing, to be using a Win95B. I admire it.
|
| (I left out "yrs old" after 10½.)
|
| It works great, in fact I will bet anything it boots and does
| what it does (it certainly can NOT do /some/ things, but I have
| a 2GHz running 98SE Lite for those) faster than a 3GHz Vista
| machine. (I can live without transparency and shadows and MS
| spyware and call-home trojans, (excuse me, updates) not to
| mention it's nice to know I will be able to change something in
| the machine without spending a week in a cybercafe {since /my/
| machine will be dead} arguing with MS about licenses and their
| peculiar views on reality.)

Yep. If you can keep it working & are content with its capabilities--
very good! There must be hope for me! And even WinXP soon will be as
defunct!

|> I wasn't with MS machines back then. Win98SE was my first.
|> I guess, if you can stick with that-- I'll never need to
|> upgrade, myself! And I admire your writing ability as well,
|> thanatoid. It is better than mine. (So is Terhune's when he
|> gets at it.) And both of you almost certainly are smarter.
|
| Now now. The older I get the more I realize how stupid I am. But
| to make you feel worse (I am thanatoid, sorry) I will tell you
| English is NOT my mother tongue. I /still/ have an accent - but
| of course you will never hear it!

BTW, I think your English
| is very good, /much/ better than most of your compatriots'.

Thanks. But I know I don't get every comma right, & your fingers would
wear out-- if I turned off my spell-checker! It might even cure you of
that!

|>|> But I think with a name like
|>|> his-- you should be more forgiving!
|>|
|>| I wasn't aware I was being critical or anything like that,
|>| /or/ that there was anything to forgive.
|>
|> It can be interpreted that a correction in spelling is a
|> criticism. But I'm sure it depends on the circumstances.
|> But I was really trying to be funny.
|
| OK. See, had we been TALKING in RL, I WOULD have gotten the
| joke!

Not necessarily. It could be much the same even speaking.

|>| SInce I have some/most (?)
|>| participants KF'd and I entered into the thread late, I am
|>| fairly in the dark and just said what I felt should be
|>| said, for better or worse.
|>
|> I'd have to go back & review it, myself.
|>
|>|> Also, his sting is only
|>|> a tenth of yours (or even Terhune's!)
|>|
|>| I'll take that as a compliment,
|>
|> Did you see this one...!!?!!...
|> news:OsOwsu4qIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
|> Terhune's post to philo of 5/1/08 09:05 AM.
|>
|> Yikes! But he quickly apologized!
|
| I am slightly tempted to visit the dreaded GG and see the whole
| damn thread - but at least on philo's side peace seems to be
| have prevailed.

I see philo subsequently spoke of hardware checks again. It could undo
the peace!

| I still have Terhune KF'd so I don't know how HE
| has responded to her - when *I* tried to make friends after an
| argument he very violently rejected and insulted me. Whatever :-
| )

I don't recall that detail. It was quite an argument between you two,
though. You are very exacting in your language, more than I can be or
even remember. And so is he, & he can really carry a point.

| I can't help wondering whether it was my only post to the thread
| (except this discussion between us) where I mentioned it seemed
| several people were ganging up on Terhune (not unlike in high
| school, prison - same thing really -and other such pleasant
| places) and that I found it objectionable in spite of my
| personal experience with the individual in question. Wouldn't it
| be super-ironic if that post had a /leetle/ to do with the
| calming waters? (/Apparently/ - as I said, Terhune is still KF
| over here, but philo is being very friendly and no one else has
| insulted T. in the last few days.)
|
| Then again, probably no one except you read it.

No. There are always others reading in, today & for a while, if not
forever. That was good of you to empathize with Terhune's plight. But
don't take him out of your KF, if you just want to insult him!

|>| but frankly, this whole reply of
|>| yours has me a little baffled. But that's OK. It's nothing
|>| new. I can be quite dumb sometimes.
|>
|> I guess we all in the end are dumb, but it's relative among
|> us.
|
| Man is the stupidest animal, not to mention the only one that
| kills for pleasure. WHY is it that cats can learn how to
| defecate IN THE BOX /and/ clean themselves in like *10 days*
| while it takes a moron human 2-5 years, if not more? (Needless
| to say I have no children so I may be way off, but I know it's
| WAY longer than with cats.)

Animals get to their top intelligence & other abilities at different
rates. Humans eventually get much higher in intelligence, though finally
back down again.

| Regards
| t.
|
| --
| Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite in so far, I mean,
| as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas
| most people deserve none at all and again in so far as it
| demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,
| when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.
|
| - Arthur Schopenhauer

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

pebble · May 2, 2008

Lotsa fun to read is right Ducky D. I drop in for a lurk here frequently, I
wonder if legg got his problem solved amidst all this crap?
pebbleinboulder

"DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
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> Haven't had the time to read all the posts, but from what I have read,
> this
> string is really, really good. A lot fun to read too!
> --
> { : [|]=( DaffyD®
>
> If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>
> "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message
> news

sfa141356g4lid5seerjdla8h6am9u997@4ax.com...
>>
>> Over the last three days, I've tried to access two separate youtube
>> links on two separate occasions to find the W98 system freezes as the
>> page is initially displayed. No keybd/mouse response. Required a
>> hardware reboot to recover. I don't normally access youtube, but had
>> done so in the previous week without problems.
>>
>> First link was:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZM779jJJFo
>>
>> The first time the problem occurred, I did a quick disk check - lost
>> clusters found (and repaired).
>>
>> I retried the same link with number crunching background activity
>> disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then
>> attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This
>> was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface
>> test, after which the defrag would complete.
>>
>> Retried the link a third time with number crunching disabled - with
>> the same result. Disk checked again without errors.
>>
>> The failed attempt to reach a differing Youtube link today (same
>> system freeze), suggests that the problem wasn't going away by itself.
>>
>> The browser used is still the older Mozilla 1.7.11 - no changes here
>> in over a year, and none expected in the future (without migrating to
>> firefox or seamonkey).
>>
>> Trying for the same link using IE6 (rarely used but as up to date as
>> MS permits) I got a blue screen that would not recover but that
>> allowed a keybd ctrl/alt/del to reboot.
>>
>> Repeating this (if only to note down the OE exception number) produced
>> normal performance.....?
>>
>> Repeating the attempt using default Mozilla then also produced normal
>> performance.
>>
>> What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS
>> (-8th year without reinstall)?
>>
>> Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual.
>>
>> RL
>
>

Gary S. Terhune · May 2, 2008

Don't think for one minute that I've "made up" with Philo. You need to
finish reading that other thread about YouTube.

Seriously, Philo can go to Hell as far as I'm concerned. They have a special
corner for lying weasels.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23$bUaXCrIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:uh3pkx4qIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | I don't use Win98 on VPC, though I played with it for a few weeks last
> year.
>
> That's what I was remembering, then.
>
> | I use an old Compaq (yuck!) to play with things 98. I have to rebuild
> my old
> | P200 after having to cannibalize it in an emergency. Slow but easy to
> work
> | on for my myriad testing purposes.
>
> Mine is a Compaq! But I'm glad you go through that effort to stay here &
> glad to see you have mended with philo.
>
> | You do realize that you're talking to a total nutjob, right?
>
> I'm not all that disciminatory.
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:ukZEegzqIHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > porvoon raganan wrote:
> | > | PCR wrote:
> | > |> porvoon raganan wrote:
> | > |> | Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | > |> |> Oh, and GFY. I've already admitted my health problems in this
> | > |> |> group to great length, and yes there's lots of stress, but
> that
> | > |> |> DOESN'T mean that Philo isn't an idiot or that you aren't a
> moron
> | > |> |> for defending him. (Hey, how about you take off your mask.
> | > |> |> Ashamed of being such a shameless philaphilopod?)
> | > |> |>
> | > |> |
> | > |> | Mr. Terhune:
> | > |> |
> | > |> | Good day to you sir. I believe the word you may have been
> looking
> | > |> | for is "philosophaster".
> | > |>
> | > |
> | > | Phi`los´o`phas`ter
> | > | n. 1. A pretender to philosophy.
> | > |
> | >
> | > I've looked again & cannot find it in my Webster's New World
> Dictionary
> | > of the American Language, College Edition. However, this book is
> old, &
> | > the copyright page is missing. But I didn't see you were doing any
> | > philosophastering, anyhow-- even if there is such a word!
> | >
> | > |
> | > |> I can't find his word OR yours in my dictionary! But Terhune
> likely
> | > |> is intentionally making his up & possibly referencing...
> | > |>
> | > |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049366/
> | > |> Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
> | > |>
> | > |> ..., thinking you are thanatoid, maybe!
> | > |>
> | > | I have not made up the word philosophaster...but Mr. Terhune has
> made
> | > | up his word. Creating new words is a sign of an excellent and
> clever
> | > | mind.
> | >
> | > That might depend upon just what word is invented, at least for the
> | > excellence of it. But Terhune's words often are excellent enough--
> even
> | > as you never were thanatoid!
> | >
> | > |> | Rather than reply to each one of your excellent individual
> posts...
> | > |> | I choose to reply simply to this central one.
> | > |> |
> | > |> | As I may have mentioned here...I am a professional group
> | > |> | moderator... but one who has no moderation authority on this
> | > |> | group. I have been asked to read over the messages here by a
> third
> | > |> | party (which will go unnamed). It was suggested that I review
> the
> | > |> | posts and comment as necessary in an attempt to smooth over the
> | > |> | "bad vibes" which only would tend to embarrass the host
> | > |> | organization.
> | > |>
> | > |> You think we might believe you are...?...
> | > |> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041509/
> | > |> The Inspector General (1949)
> | > |>
> | > |> | I have read the majority of the posts from the last month or so
> | > |> | and can now see why I was called upon to step in and have a
> look.
> | > |>
> | > |> As Terhune said, that may not be enough. We have been floating
> here
> | > |> for years!
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | True. I have not posted on any Usenet group until recently...
> | > | As I have mentioned somewhere...I am employed as a moderator
> | > | elsewhere and I assure you...I am quite familiar with how Usenet
> is
> | > | structured.
> | >
> | > Very well.
> | >
> | > |> | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a
> | > |> | quick "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked
> here
> | > |> | could be answered with no need for this group at all.
> | > |>
> | > |> Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to
> Win98
> | > |> started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who
> will
> | > |> discuss it & talk it through!
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | You are very astute and have picked up on my point exactly!
> | > | Though people are often chided for asking "such and such" a
> question
> | > | on a Usenet group...and are rightly told that they could have just
> | > | found the answer on Google. Were it not for the open discussions
> in
> | > | the first place...there would be no such information on Google!
> | >
> | > Absolutely!
> | >
> | > |> | However...most of the
> | > |> | folks who post...come here in-fact for a discussion. (I would
> think
> | > |> | that should not surprise you.)
> | > |>
> | > |> Most come here to help in a technical problem or to be helped.
> | > |> Arguments & discussions can sometimes ensue, yea.
> | > |>
> | > |> | Unless some person who answers a question specifically passes
> | > |> | themselves off as an expert...all advice here is to be taken
> simply
> | > |> | as that...Viz: Advice.
> | > |>
> | > |> It is helpful to have the MVPs & rare MS personnel around to
> | > |> straighten things out! Novices may not know the difference
> between
> | > |> good & bad advice! (But I haven't seen MEB since that Scott
> Hammer
> | > |> MS personage got hold of him!)
> | > |>
> | > |> | You have mentioned this "Philo" person a number of times...and
> I
> | > |> | have read over his replies...and certainly must agree with
> | > |> | you...he does often reply without great insight...but I have
> found
> | > |> | no intentional deception nor advice that would do much more
> than
> | > |> | perhaps waste a little time. Some of the advice (possibly just
> by
> | > |> | random chance) is correct... but as far as I can see...the vast
> | > |> | majority of it is simply humor. (Or should I have said: quite
> | > |> | *simple* humor ?)
> | > |>
> | > |> Philo comes up with his share of good advice. It is good to have
> | > |> Terhune around to keep him & others on their toes, though!
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | I have searched a bit further at replies elsewhere and see you are
> | > | correct there. That Philo character actually has given a bit of
> decent
> | > | enough advice and in a number of very non-related topics. Mr.
> Terhune,
> | > | though his scope is considerably more narrow, is indeed an expert
> when
> | > | it comes to Win98. I may go so far as to say, in fact...that he is
> | > | *the* expert.
> | >
> | > He & other MVP's often will drop into a thread to correct flagrant
> | > errors. Sometimes they do get rough. So?
> | >
> | > | Of course that clarifies his anger...as Win98 is now essentially
> an
> | > | all but dead operating system. With the advent of the "new and
> | > | improved" operating system, Vista...it appears that all previous
> | > | versions are being killed off as rapidly as possible.
> | >
> | > I believe that view to be a symptom of 3 months exposure to XP/Vista
> | > irradiation. Is the middle toe of your left foot turning blue? Or
> did
> | > you just read that on the UseNet?
> | >
> | > | I certainly can
> | > | understand Mr. Terhune having quite a degree of frustration over
> that.
> | >
> | > No. He made the switch & only uses a Win98 simulator now-- on an XP
> | > machine! Everyone here is filled with tears-- even philo! It may be
> he
> | > still occasionally will get his hands on an actual Win98 machine,
> | > though. Also, his orneriness predates the advent of XP, I know.
> | >
> | > |> | What you seem to have not noticed ...is that by discussion...
> | > |> | a problem is eventually solved. Even wrong answers are
> generally
> | > |> | part of a learning process and will eventually be sorted out.
> The
> | > |> | only thing I can find this "Philo" character
> | > |> | guilty of is "talking" just a bit too much.
> | > |>
> | > |> I must agree (not having credentials of my own & occasionally
> making
> | > |> a rare mistake), although I wouldn't say philo is the worst of
> | > |> talkers. And I'm not, either!
> | > |>
> | > |> | On the other hand, Mr. Terhune...you do pass yourself off as
> | > |> | someone with knowledge...A Microsoft Valuable Professional. You
> of
> | > |> | all people should conduct yourself in a professional manner. A
> | > |> | true professional should of course comment when he sees
> incorrect
> | > |> | information being posted...but you alone among all MVP's have
> | > |> | stooped to name calling, foul language and argumentative
> behavior.
> | > |> | None of that is suitable for a professional!
> | > |>
> | > |> It's a rite of passage to suffer through Terhune's orneriness! I
> had
> | > |> to do it myself! But we all love him here! Don't chase off one of
> | > |> few MVP's we've got left! He's always been full of valuable
> | > |> information!
> | > |>
> | > |> | Also...You have asked me to take off my mask. I am not wearing
> | > |> | one... but if you expect me to post my actual email address
> | > |> | here...then you have a more serious problem than I thought!
> | > |>
> | > |> He may think you are that rouge thanatiod. You do have an
> equivalent
> | > |> command of the American language-- & a bit of the sting as well!
> | > |>
> | > |> | In conclusion, I suspect that you are both a sensitive person
> | > |> | and a deep thinker...and I respect those qualities in you.
> | > |>
> | > |> I agree, but more thinker than sensitive.
> | > |>
> | > |> | My suggestion is that both you and "Philo" pretend that neither
> | > |> | one of you have ever posted here before...and to start over
> with a
> | > |> | clean slate. As a totally isolated third party who can look at
> the
> | > |> | situation with perhaps only minimal bias...The funny thing
> about
> | > |> | both you , Mr. Terhune and "Philo" is how very similar to each
> | > |> | other are. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you two
> were
> | > |> | brothers who got into a fight over something quite
> inconsequential.
> | > |>
> | > |> Terhune has more technical knowledge than philo (or me).
> | > |>
> | > |> | I mean this: Best wishes to the both of you...
> | > |> | why not shake hands and move on? If you two fellows can resolve
> | > |> | your differences...then I see that there is still hope left in
> | > |> | this world.
> | > |>
> | > |> I don't see that you are any more authorized to mediate this
> thing
> | > |> than Jimmy Carter was in Palestine. Terhune starts off rough.
> It's
> | > |> up to philo to mellow him by sticking only to tried/true
> | > |> advice/suggestions.
> | > |>
> | > | You are correct again. I have no more authority here than Jimmy
> Carter
> | > | does in Palestine. Though I respect Carter for bring at least some
> | > | type of peace to Israel and Egypt...Carter has no business going
> to
> | > | Palestine.
> | >
> | > His legitimate peacemaking ended with his Presidency. Now, neither
> you
> | > nor he are or can produce a letter from Napoleon out of your shoe!
> | >
> | > | Now...as to that Philo character...as far as I can see...he only
> | > | sometimes sticks to "tried/true" advice.(He has thousands of
> postings
> | > | on dozens of groups...so I only read a small portion of them. Many
> of
> | > | his replies are
> | > | considerably "off the wall" and often wrong. The odd thing is...
> | > | that once in a while he has picked up something all the other
> experts
> | > | have missed. It may simply be due to his ignorance. There are many
> | > | fools out there who do something impossible simply because they
> | > | didn't know better.
> | >
> | > I think philo is OK. He might be a bit more deferential, perhaps.
> That
> | > might be an improvement.
> | >
> | > |> | If you two cannot resolve your differences...then I see the
> entire
> | > |> | world following this terrible path.
> | > |> |
> | > |> | I remain your obedient servant,
> | > |> |
> | > |> | P. R.
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > Should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>

Gary S. Terhune · May 2, 2008

For anyone who wants to read the very first post in this thread, the problem
was already solved, as much as it can be, before Legg even posted. He
described a situation that fouled up a couple of times and then
automagically fixed itself. The question he posed is what would make his
system do that, and in fact, there is thus far insufficient evidence to tell
what happened, except that it was so. All that's left is some educated
guessing. (Philo isn't qualified to make educated guesses about Windows 98
since he has no education in the topic. In fact, he actively resists such
education.)

But then that idiot Philo had to pull his usual stunt, read the post totally
wrong and start tossing out a bunch of irrelevant stuff, using the kitchen
sink method, related to hardware, when any logical reading of the post by
someone who actually knows something about Windows 98 would suggest that the
chances of hardware being at fault at any step of the way are very slim, and
even if it was hardware, it was almost certainly transient (a one-time
thing.) And yet, because he *thinks* he knows something about hardware,
hardware problems are all he sees. Problem is, when you start answering a
post from some desperate innocent with a bunch of blather about hardware,
which is always difficult for newbies, and expensive, you very likely send
them away pissed off and totally despondent, often before they get a correct
answer. And even if they stay for the correct answer, even after he's been
fully corrected, the idiot named Philo insists on muddying up the waters
every fourth post with more irrelevancies about hardware (or totally wrong
advice about software.)

PCR was just as bad with his ludicrous master posts, but after several
months of my abusing him, while he refused to go away, his posting style did
get better somewhat. I figure if several months of abuse worked for PCR,
maybe it will work on this Philo character. Not to confuse PCR and Philo,
since what PCR does (sometimes, still) is generally harmless if irritating,
and actually has some redeeming value for those who want to read through
reams of possible fixes, whereas what Philo does is just plain wrong, no
matter which way you look at it. Even when he's right and hardware is
involved, he still comes up with the wrong answer.

Besides, he's a liar and a weasel.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"pebble" <pebble@vista.rock.com> wrote in message
news:%23w0oDWErIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Lotsa fun to read is right Ducky D. I drop in for a lurk here frequently,
> I wonder if legg got his problem solved amidst all this crap?
> pebbleinboulder
>
>
>
> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uyKDnx0qIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Haven't had the time to read all the posts, but from what I have read,
>> this
>> string is really, really good. A lot fun to read too!
>> --
>> { : [|]=( DaffyD®
>>
>> If I knew where I was I'd be there now.
>>
>> "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message
>> news

sfa141356g4lid5seerjdla8h6am9u997@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Over the last three days, I've tried to access two separate youtube
>>> links on two separate occasions to find the W98 system freezes as the
>>> page is initially displayed. No keybd/mouse response. Required a
>>> hardware reboot to recover. I don't normally access youtube, but had
>>> done so in the previous week without problems.
>>>
>>> First link was:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZM779jJJFo
>>>
>>> The first time the problem occurred, I did a quick disk check - lost
>>> clusters found (and repaired).
>>>
>>> I retried the same link with number crunching background activity
>>> disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then
>>> attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This
>>> was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface
>>> test, after which the defrag would complete.
>>>
>>> Retried the link a third time with number crunching disabled - with
>>> the same result. Disk checked again without errors.
>>>
>>> The failed attempt to reach a differing Youtube link today (same
>>> system freeze), suggests that the problem wasn't going away by itself.
>>>
>>> The browser used is still the older Mozilla 1.7.11 - no changes here
>>> in over a year, and none expected in the future (without migrating to
>>> firefox or seamonkey).
>>>
>>> Trying for the same link using IE6 (rarely used but as up to date as
>>> MS permits) I got a blue screen that would not recover but that
>>> allowed a keybd ctrl/alt/del to reboot.
>>>
>>> Repeating this (if only to note down the OE exception number) produced
>>> normal performance.....?
>>>
>>> Repeating the attempt using default Mozilla then also produced normal
>>> performance.
>>>
>>> What could be responsible for this strange behavior in this W98 2ed OS
>>> (-8th year without reinstall)?
>>>
>>> Of course the youtube link was a waste of time, as usual.
>>>
>>> RL
>>
>>
>

philo · May 2, 2008

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Forget it! There was never any report of damage to the disk. It was ALL
> software, file system errors. SpeedDisk reported a problem, nature
> unknown. NDD discovered one or more problems that at least included the
> discovery of lost clusters. Problems were fixed and SpeedDisk could then
> run just fine. There is NO need to run any further disk diagnostics,
> there is REALLY no need to run any RAM testing utilities. Waste of time
> and energy.
>
> The movie problem was solved before the OP even posted, none of it
> having anything to do with hardware. The problem may or may not have had
> anything to do with the problems found in the file system. Could be
> total coincidence. Stupid, complicated operation involving streaming a
> movie fouled up, which is to be expected from time to time. Then,
> perhaps because of some operator function or perhaps not, it quit
> malfunctioning and the movie played again. Note that the problem was
> repeated using two different browsers, which immediately eliminates any
> possibility that hardware was in any way causal.
>

Gary, you missed something.

this is a *verbatim* re quote excripted from the OP's original post

----begin quote

I retried the same link with number crunching background activity
disabled - with the same result. Repeated disk check and then
attempted to run defrag - incomplete after hitting a bad sector. This
was repaired by running a complete disk check, including the surface
test, after which the defrag would complete.

----end quote

The OP specifically states that defrag "hit a bad sector".
What part of "bad cluster" do you not understand. For someone who claims
I have a problems with reading comprehension...you seem to
be the one who has failed to read carefully.

Though you may know quite a bit about windows 98...
you appear to have an encyclopedic ignorance in all other areas.
Your behavior is most shameful indeed. (Shakes head.)

Nevertheless, I forgive you for your errors.I am sure I have done much
worse.

Note:
To anyone reading this thread, please do not misconstrue this active
dialog. Gary Terhune and I have only met recently...
but this argument is simply one way we both blow of a little steam...
after a long an stressful day at work. It's just "good fun" and harmless.
When I first met Gary...I misjudged him and thought he was too serious
and was lacking a sense of humor. I was wrong...as I now see he has a
great and very dry sense of humor. It (I admit) went right over my head
at first.

On the other hand. Mr. Terhune thought that I was just a clown...
with nothing but jest on my mind....but he later learned that I do have
a very serious side. He got a little burned I'm afraid...but just
briefly and now seems to act just a trifle more politely. An excellent
first step!

philo · May 2, 2008

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23e6XAIHrIHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> For anyone who wants to read the very first post in this thread, the
problem
> was already solved, as much as it can be, before Legg even posted. He
> described a situation that fouled up a couple of times and then
> automagically fixed itself.

<ranting snipped>

No, it did not fix itself "automagically"
the OP stated clearly in his first post that he ran a full surface scan
which "fixed" the problem. (Of course the bad sector was mapped out.)

BTW: to any one who is reading this post, Gary often refers to me as an
idiot.
I think maybe he has forgotten that he used to call me a "grade A" idiot.(Or
something to that effect.)
I took it as a compliment because I used to be a "grade B" idiot but went to
night school for many years.
Mr. Terhune seems to have enrolled in the correspondence course , "How to
become an idiot-savant" in ten easy lessons.
Congratulations Mr. Terhune for having successfully completed the *first*
half of the course.

Bravo!

Again, to anyone who is reading this. Do not read too much into this banter.
Gary and I are just goofing around here and I am not upset with him...
and he seems to find me at least a little bit humorous.

Gary S. Terhune · May 2, 2008

The problem still remained after all the hardware testing was long done. It,
indeed, automagically fixed itself. Probably an issue with Flash or the
movie itself.

As for your attempts at humor and suggestions that I'm some how still
friendly with you, you couldn't be more wrong.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:umrkBNIrIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%23e6XAIHrIHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> For anyone who wants to read the very first post in this thread, the
> problem
>> was already solved, as much as it can be, before Legg even posted. He
>> described a situation that fouled up a couple of times and then
>> automagically fixed itself.
>
> <ranting snipped>
>
> No, it did not fix itself "automagically"
> the OP stated clearly in his first post that he ran a full surface scan
> which "fixed" the problem. (Of course the bad sector was mapped out.)
>
>
> BTW: to any one who is reading this post, Gary often refers to me as an
> idiot.
> I think maybe he has forgotten that he used to call me a "grade A"
> idiot.(Or
> something to that effect.)
> I took it as a compliment because I used to be a "grade B" idiot but went
> to
> night school for many years.
> Mr. Terhune seems to have enrolled in the correspondence course , "How to
> become an idiot-savant" in ten easy lessons.
> Congratulations Mr. Terhune for having successfully completed the *first*
> half of the course.
>
> Bravo!
>
>
>
> Again, to anyone who is reading this. Do not read too much into this
> banter.
> Gary and I are just goofing around here and I am not upset with him...
> and he seems to find me at least a little bit humorous.
>
>

philo · May 2, 2008

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23ex9JVIrIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The problem still remained after all the hardware testing was long done.
It,
> indeed, automagically fixed itself. Probably an issue with Flash or the
> movie itself.
>
> As for your attempts at humor and suggestions that I'm some how still
> friendly with you, you couldn't be more wrong.
>

Ok fair enough sir...and I really appreciate your cordial response.
All kidding aside...It's *much* appreciated!

Thank you.

philo · May 2, 2008

PCR wrote:
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:%23oA0Zh1qIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | PCR wrote:
> | > porvoon raganan wrote:
> | > | PCR wrote:
> | > |> porvoon raganan wrote:
>
> ...snip
> | > | I have not made up the word philosophaster...but Mr. Terhune has
> made
> | > | up his word. Creating new words is a sign of an excellent and
> clever
> | > | mind.
> | >
> | > That might depend upon just what word is invented, at least for the
> | > excellence of it. But Terhune's words often are excellent enough--
> even
> | > as you never were thanatoid!
> | >
> |
> | I did a quick run through the archives and see that Gary really did
> have
> | a lot to contribute...and as I just told him...I had misjudged him.
> |
>
> I saw that. It was heartening. I was glad.
>
> ...snip
> | > |> | As you know...this is a discussion group for Windows98. With a
> | > |> | quick "Google search" a great majority of the questions asked
> here
> | > |> | could be answered with no need for this group at all.
> | > |>
> | > |> Maybe. Well, yea, but lots of the stuff at Google pertaining to
> Win98
> | > |> started here, I'm sure! Also, there are living people here who
> will
> | > |> discuss it & talk it through!
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | You are very astute and have picked up on my point exactly!
> | > | Though people are often chided for asking "such and such" a
> question
> | > | on a Usenet group...and are rightly told that they could have just
> | > | found the answer on Google. Were it not for the open discussions
> in
> | > | the first place...there would be no such information on Google!
> | >
> | > Absolutely!
> |
> | Yes that is very true. I also think that continuing discussions are
> | important...even on old subjects. New knowledge is always turned up!
>
> Very true.
>
> ...snip
> | > | I have searched a bit further at replies elsewhere and see you are
> | > | correct there. That Philo character actually has given a bit of
> decent
> | > | enough advice and in a number of very non-related topics. Mr.
> Terhune,
> | > | though his scope is considerably more narrow, is indeed an expert
> when
> | > | it comes to Win98. I may go so far as to say, in fact...that he is
> | > | *the* expert.
> | >
> | > He & other MVP's often will drop into a thread to correct flagrant
> | > errors. Sometimes they do get rough. So?
> |
> | I have been on Usenet for quite a number of years and can honestly
> | say up until I had come across Terhune...I had never seen an MVP loose
> | it like that...but then again...I blew it too...So I can hardly be
> critical!
>
> I'm glad that's all blown over now. I'm really amazed too, considering
> how rough that one got!
>
> | > | Of course that clarifies his anger...as Win98 is now essentially
> an
> | > | all but dead operating system. With the advent of the "new and
> | > | improved" operating system, Vista...it appears that all previous
> | > | versions are being killed off as rapidly as possible.
> | >
> | > I believe that view to be a symptom of 3 months exposure to XP/Vista
> | > irradiation. Is the middle toe of your left foot turning blue? Or
> did
> | > you just read that on the UseNet?
> | >
> | > | I certainly can
> | > | understand Mr. Terhune having quite a degree of frustration over
> that.
> | >
> | > No. He made the switch & only uses a Win98 simulator now-- on an XP
> | > machine! Everyone here is filled with tears-- even philo! It may be
> he
> | > still occasionally will get his hands on an actual Win98 machine,
> | > though. Also, his orneriness predates the advent of XP, I know.
> |
> |
> | I suppose he was just born that way...but I think that to be an
> | expert in a field...only to see it dwindle...may not have helped
> either
>
> He is pleased with XP, I think. It is good of him to remain here as well
> on his simulator. No, he is expert & expects to be treated as such, is
> all, when a topic of his expertise comes up. And I think you have
> finally done it. Very good.
>
> ...snip
> | > | You are correct again. I have no more authority here than Jimmy
> Carter
> | > | does in Palestine. Though I respect Carter for bring at least some
> | > | type of peace to Israel and Egypt...Carter has no business going
> to
> | > | Palestine.
> | >
> | > His legitimate peacemaking ended with his Presidency. Now, neither
> you
> | > nor he are or can produce a letter from Napoleon out of your shoe!
> | >
> |
> | Yes I remember his presidency well. He was a well meaning president...
> | but of course, as the say...the road to hell is paved with good
> intentions.
>
> He did some good. It was that Iranian hostage crisis that did him in.
> But Reagan was making deals behind closed doors, if I recall the whole
> thing correctly.
>
> | > | Now...as to that Philo character...as far as I can see...he only
> | > | sometimes sticks to "tried/true" advice.(He has thousands of
> postings
> | > | on dozens of groups...so I only read a small portion of them. Many
> of
> | > | his replies are
> | > | considerably "off the wall" and often wrong. The odd thing is...
> | > | that once in a while he has picked up something all the other
> experts
> | > | have missed. It may simply be due to his ignorance. There are many
> | > | fools out there who do something impossible simply because they
> | > | didn't know better.
> | >
> | > I think philo is OK. He might be a bit more deferential, perhaps.
> That
> | > might be an improvement.
> | >
> |
> |
> | Glad you think Philo is OK...
> | Sometimes I wonder about myself <G>
>
> Yea, you are OK, philo, as far as I can see. I'm glad that means
> something to you.
>
>
Weird...depending on which news server I use...
the reply I had made earlier may appear or not???

I still have mixed feeling toward Carter as president...
though he screwed up the economy..I ended up benefiting by
it...considerably...so should not complain.

The company I worked for at the time had quite dramatically
lost business...and one of my co-workers had to be let go.
The thing is...we had to become more resourceful and ended up
manufacturing some new products and in the long run...
dramatically increased business. The small company I had once worked
for had become so attractive that we were "bought out" by a very huge
Japanese manufacturing firm...and finally again by an American-based
world-wide company. So thanks to Carter we all had to work harder and
smarter...and survived well.

Also...the interest rates had sky-rocketed...
but since I am a veteran...was able to purchase my house
and pay interest at one-third the rate of my co-workers...
who wanted to kill me of course.

My young daughter, who is a financial genius
instructed me how she wanted me to invest here few thousand dollars
worth or birthday and holiday money...So thanks to Carter and his high
interest rate...my kid was locked into a fully insured extremely high
interest investment. When she turned 18 years old...she had enough money
to pay for her own college. I only had to help her financially a few
times when she needed to buy a car etc. So she was able to pay cash
for her own education...& of course values it highly.
BTW: Her education cost more than I had paid for my house
...

So how can I dislike Carter?

pebble · May 2, 2008

> PCR was just as bad with his ludicrous master posts, but after several
> months of my abusing him, while he refused to go away, his posting style
> did get better somewhat. I figure if several months of abuse worked for
> PCR, maybe it will work on this Philo character. Not to confuse PCR and
> Philo, since what PCR does (sometimes, still) is generally harmless if
> irritating, and actually has some redeeming value for those who want to
> read through reams of possible fixes,

No, no, no Gary. I find PCR to be of enormous help to all. Why do you find
his master posts ludicrous? I find them very helpful, PCR has often pulled
my trusty '98 from the brink. He always follows through his answers
offering many alternatives to try, he never stops trying although you seem
to find him trying hahahahahahaha

But seriously, I reckon he should be an MS MVP He'd gets my goat er vote
everytime.

pebbleinboulder

Jeff Richards · May 2, 2008

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:OJ$oQDsqIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> snip <
>
> Now, moving forward to the guy with the bad cluster on his HD. I stated
> rather clearly that if the drive is loosing clusters on a regular basis..
> it needs to be replaced. If it was simply one bad cluster with no more
> development of bad clusters...it could be ignored. (Though it should be
> watched.) I did not mean to imply that logical errors on a file system due
> to a bad shut down constituted a drive problem.

That's not what you said. The exact wording was
"First off. If your drive is loosing [sic] clusters, I suggest you replace
it."

Your later comments indicate that you were clearly aware that this was not
correct, so it is hard to understand why you made this sort of statement in
the first place and why you then tried to defend it.

> I don't have time right now to search through my past posts to
> look at my exact wording...

It's the first reply in the thread - it takes 2 seconds to find it.

> so right now suffice it to say...it might not have been clear...

That's an uderstatement.

> but from the OP's response...he did not seem to be confused with the reply
> I had given.

That's only because he ignored the advice.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

thanatoid · May 3, 2008

philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
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> thanatoid wrote:
>> Philosophaster: (I am NOT copying the pronunciations!)
>> n., one who has only a superficial knowledge of philosophy
>> or who feigns a knowledge he does not possess.

<SNIP>

> I think that's what they used to say was a good 50 cent
> word!

I have never heard this term before! It sounds like you have to
be an American born in the 40's or 50's to know it! Care to
increase my linguistic knowledge and explain it?

--
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite in so far, I mean,
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas
most people deserve none at all and again in so far as it
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people,
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

philo · May 3, 2008

Jeff Richards wrote:
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:OJ$oQDsqIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> snip <
>>
>> Now, moving forward to the guy with the bad cluster on his HD. I stated
>> rather clearly that if the drive is loosing clusters on a regular basis..
>> it needs to be replaced. If it was simply one bad cluster with no more
>> development of bad clusters...it could be ignored. (Though it should be
>> watched.) I did not mean to imply that logical errors on a file system due
>> to a bad shut down constituted a drive problem.
>
> That's not what you said. The exact wording was
> "First off. If your drive is loosing [sic] clusters, I suggest you replace
> it."
>
> Your later comments indicate that you were clearly aware that this was not
> correct, so it is hard to understand why you made this sort of statement in
> the first place and why you then tried to defend it.
>
>> I don't have time right now to search through my past posts to
>> look at my exact wording...
>
> It's the first reply in the thread - it takes 2 seconds to find it.
>
>> so right now suffice it to say...it might not have been clear...
>
> That's an uderstatement.
>
>> but from the OP's response...he did not seem to be confused with the reply
>> I had given.
>
> That's only because he ignored the advice.

Jeff:
This entire thread has now become superannuated...
and indeed I have been perhaps litotetic in my reply.
But as it should have been sorted out somewhere in here...
I did intact make a mistake in my wording...but it was not done
due to malicious intent or gross ignorance on my part...
it was simply due to do bad wording.

The OP clearly stated that he scandisk had run into a bad cluster...
and though my reply was not clear to everyone...what I had meant
was simply that if the drive is developing bad clusters on a regular
basis...it is clearly defective and must be replaced.
I did not mean to imply that a drive that has developed logical
errors due to a bad shut down is in any way defective.

The OP *did* respond to my remark (I thought) when he stated that NDD
did "fix" the bad cluster.

Anyway...the only person I choose to argue with on this group
is Gary Terhune.I argue with him...simply because he likes to argue.
But if you want to pick an argument with someone...you will have to go
elsewhere.

philo · May 3, 2008

thanatoid wrote:
> philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:erWZzh1qIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> thanatoid wrote:
>>> Philosophaster: (I am NOT copying the pronunciations!)
>>> n., one who has only a superficial knowledge of philosophy
>>> or who feigns a knowledge he does not possess.
>
> <SNIP>
>
>> I think that's what they used to say was a good 50 cent
>> word!
>
> I have never heard this term before! It sounds like you have to
> be an American born in the 40's or 50's to know it! Care to
> increase my linguistic knowledge and explain it?
>
>
>

The origins of that phrase go back to even before my time.
I was born in 1949 btw.

I am sure it was originally just a good 25 cent word
or more likely a good nickel word.

It had something to do with the old time newspaper men
who would be paid to write stories...so many cents a word.(Don't
know...probably just a penny or two.)
I think that if they had come up with some big fancy word...
it was supposedly said" Wow, that's a good 10 cent word."
Or some such thing.

Did the writer actually get paid more for some words
than others???

I good topic for research.

At may age, it's getting harder and harder for me to find elders to ask!

philo · May 3, 2008

<potions snipped>
>

> This entire thread has now become superannuated...
> and indeed I have been perhaps litotetic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litotes

I figured I better throw that in because I'm sure a few folks here
would otherwise think I'm too stupid to even spell the word "idiot"! <G>

That is of course not to say that I would be incapable of mis-spelling such
a word.

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