Duplicated Posts Showing in OE

Franc Zabkar · May 15, 2008

On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:05:54 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Gees,, go figure. Sounds like my incident of 27 posts to get one through,
>with a standard, common word [for the Windows security environment anyway]
>blocked... [since unblocked]

I just tried a new post on its own. I used the word "f l o o d" in the
body of the message. Sure enough it didn't get through. Is it any
different for you?

>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
>news:2iln245suluncp5pq741e46gjgbm56cb9t@4ax.com...
>| On Wed, 14 May 2008 04:30:21 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
>| put finger to keyboard and composed:
>|
>| >Tried posting your messages myself, haven't gone through yet, so [though
>the
>| >CERT did, which was posted afterwards] ...
>|
>| I tried a binary search on my failed reply to Gary, ie split my post
>| in half and posted the two halves as separate replies. I discovered
>| that any reply containing the word "F L O O D" doesn't appear in my
>| news feed.
>|
>| - Franc Zabkar

- Franc Zabkar
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Franc Zabkar · May 15, 2008

On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:05:54 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Gees,, go figure. Sounds like my incident of 27 posts to get one through,
>with a standard, common word [for the Windows security environment anyway]
>blocked... [since unblocked]

So tell me, which word in this post is causing it to be blocked?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....5/fe69a2d3e2250293?lnk=st&q=#fe69a2d3e2250293

- Franc Zabkar
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MEB · May 15, 2008

Try posting it without the homebuilt reference.

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"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:ugpn24hnh04daedk4vpkvgvjhl9e84saca@4ax.com...
| On Thu, 15 May 2008 03:05:54 -0400, "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| put finger to keyboard and composed:
|
| >Gees,, go figure. Sounds like my incident of 27 posts to get one through,
| >with a standard, common word [for the Windows security environment
anyway]
| >blocked... [since unblocked]
|
| So tell me, which word in this post is causing it to be blocked?
|
|
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....5/fe69a2d3e2250293?lnk=st&q=#fe69a2d3e2250293
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

PCR · May 15, 2008

Brian A. wrote:
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ONC94zVtIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | You have more than enough information to deduce whatever could
|> | possibly be deduced from this end. Someone was doing something at
|> | "http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET Gateway" and screwed
|> | up. Microsoft had nothing to do with it except if they want to
|> | clean it up, which I suspect they won't.
|>
|> Well, I don't see that any new ones came in today. Maybe they've
|> fixed it. I guess computerhelpforums was sending old posts to the MS
|> server a second time! The first is dated 4/12/08 12:22 AM by Bill of
|> Co., & the last is 5/10/08 4:14 AM by MEB. But those both came in
|> yesterday to join the duplicate already here! I'll hold back on any
|> curse or spell on you three/four MVPs until I see a new one. I think
|> I owe you that much!
|
| In that case I'll try my best to hold back Ernest T. from heading
| over to your place, he's quite the wiley one though.
|

Ernest T? Is that another witness? How far under the table is he?

| --
|
|
| Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://basconotw.mvps.org/
|
| Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · May 15, 2008

MEB wrote:
| It may take longer than that,,, was there a convention
| recently???{erp}

It doesn't take a convention for Brian A., Otis Campbell, & Ernest T. to
get at it!

| The CERT MIGHT explain a bit of the issue, server updates...

It still might have gone well had half of them been sober.

| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23UZKQDhtIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| news:%23wV$HDWtIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| | What has apparently escaped many is:
|| |
|| | This would be considered as a hack. Be it for advertising,
|| | increasing net presence [and yes spiders search for this type of
|| | info as well] or other. It would be interesting to see if this
|| | was done in the other forums as well. That would potential
|| | increase the NET presence for this service by thousands of users
|| | *supposedly* using the service. Think potential
|| | revenue/advertising.
||
|| I'm thinking it's just a horrible mistake or someone spilt beer on
|| the MS server or on computerhelpforums. I haven't seen new
|| duplicates for two days I think. And I'm still waiting for Otis
|| Campbell to come to for questioning! That's Brian A.'s drinking
|| buddy!
||
|| | --
|| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| | --
|| | _________
|| |
|| |
|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | news:ej9Lg3VtIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|| | | MEB wrote:
|| | | | Hmm, interesting, you may have found the potential answer.
|| | | | Not *this* server reset, but another which caused this by
|| | | | reposting the originals back to the group... didn't notice
|| | | | that,,
|| | |
|| | | Yep. Looks like these are old posts coming in a 2nd time.
|| | |
|| | | | FIND provided these results:
|| | | |
|| | | | 199 messages - from 04-12-08 to 05-12-08 with the Posted via
|| | | | http://computerhelpforums.net
|| | |
|| | | I see 202 that way, but it's also showing replies to posts that
|| | | contain that. Odd, I thought there were 100 more than that
|| | | yesterday. I guess the reset I did adjusted it somewhat.
|| | |
|| | | | Gee, seems an un-reputable [and likely illegal] way to make a
|| | | | server *appear* to be the news posting portal of choice by
|| | | | most of the posters here. Of course this will be reflected on
|| | | | ALL mirrors, so either this was an honest mistake, or this
|| | | | group and Microsoft just got hacked.
|| | |
|| | | I don't mind them appending the advertisement-- if only they'll
|| | | send it just once! I notice this current post of yours does not
|| | | contain it. So-- you sent this one here directly? Or can I
|| | | expect the other to come in a week or two?
|| | |
|| | | | --
|| | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| | | | --
|| | | | _________
|| | | |
|| | | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | | | news:eC2njsJtIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| | | || Wait a minute! A reset & compact didn't cure it-- I STILL have
|| | | || duplicates! However, now I am noticing they aren't precisely
|| | | || duplicated. The first seems always to have this note at the
|| | | || bottom...
|| | | ||
|| | | || Posted via http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET
|| | | || Gateway
|| | | ||
|| | | || So, I guess whoever uses that forum gets to have his post
|| | | || appear here TWICE! Or are they, themselves, posting it
|| | | || twice-- once to there & once to here -- & causing me & P.A.
|| | | || Bear to see double!!? MEB! What about you...?...
|| | | ||
|| | | || From: MEB <Guest.399ho6@nntp.nospam.local>
|| | | || Subject: Login issues Live.com
|| | | || Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 03:14:18 -0500
|| | | || Message-ID: <Guest.399ho6@nntp.nospam.local>
|| | | || Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
|| | | || User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
|| | | || X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
|| | | || X-Originating-IP: meb@not here@ho
|| | | || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| | | || NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
|| | | || 72.36.151.58
|| | | || Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
|| | | || Lines: 1
|| | | || Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|| | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840176 X-Antivirus:
|| | | || avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound message
|| | | || X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| | | ||
|| | | || From: "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
|| | | || Subject: Login issues Live.com
|| | | || Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 04:14:18 -0400
|| | | || Lines: 8
|| | | || X-Priority: 3
|| | | || X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
|| | | || X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
|| | | || X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
|| | | || X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080509-0, 05/09/2008), Outbound
|| | | || message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| | | || Message-ID: <O6ITaXnsIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
|| | | || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| | | || NNTP-Posting-Host: ACA6986D.ipt.aol.com 172.166.152.109
|| | | || Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
|| | | || Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|| | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840024 X-Antivirus:
|| | | || avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound message
|| | | || X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| | | ||
|| | | ||
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|| | | || Thanks or Good Luck,
|| | | || There may be humor in this post, and,
|| | | || Naturally, you will not sue,
|| | | || Should things get worse after this,
|| | | || PCR
|| | | || pcrrcp@netzero.net
|| | | || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | | || news:%23lRWx69sIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| | | || | Why am I seeing over 300 duplicated posts in this NG!? It
|| | | || | seems the first post in many threads are showing the
|| | | || | initial post TWICE. In some case, entire thread segments
|| | | || | are duplicated. My inclination is to
|| | | || reset
|| | | || | the NG. But I must go now-- no time to even investigate!
|| | | || |
|| | | || | The posts are identical, but their Properties are
|| | | || | different. Here is
|| | | || an
|| | | || | example. Can the posts be coming into this NG (I am
|| | | || | connected directly to the MS Server) from two different
|| | | || | sources? Why do the dates seem to indicate different time
|| | | || | zones?
|| | | || |
|| | | || | From: afz <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
|| | | || | Subject: wise install new product version on an old version
|| | | || | Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:49:51 -0500
|| | | || | Message-ID: <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
|| | | || | Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
|| | | || | User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
|| | | || | X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
|| | | || | X-Originating-IP: amit.azizi@gmai
|| | | || | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| | | || | NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
|| | | || | 72.36.151.58
|| | | || | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
|| | | || | Lines: 1
|| | | || | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|| | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840140
|| | | || | X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080510-0, 05/10/2008), Inbound
|| | | || | message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| | | || |
|| | | || | From: afz <amit.azizi@gmail.com>
|| | | || | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| | | || | Subject: wise install new product version on an old version
|| | | || | Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:49:51 -0700 (PDT)
|| | | || | Organization: http://groups.google.com
|| | | || | Lines: 15
|| | | || | Message-ID:
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|| <3da8a85e-c8f3-46c5-93ae-34aad6591d90@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
|| | | || | NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.179.33.130
|| | | || | Mime-Version: 1.0
|| | | || | Content-Type: text/plain charset=ISO-8859-1
|| | | || | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
|| | | || | X-Trace: posting.google.com 1209458991 14365 127.0.0.1 (29
|| | | || | Apr 2008 08:49:51 GMT)
|| | | || | X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
|| | | || | NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:49:51 +0000 (UTC)
|| | | || | Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
|| | | || | Injection-Info: a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
|| | | || | posting-host=212.179.33.130
|| | | || | posting-account=qCGXIQoAAACiU37JXfSn1JsDwTuJ43t1
|| | | || | User-Agent: G2/1.0
|| | | || | X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0
|| | | || | Windows NT
|| | | || | 5.1 SV1 .NET
|| | | || | CLR 2.0.50727 .NET CLR 1.1.4322
|| InfoPath.2),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
|| | | || | Bytes: 1606
|| | | || | Path:
|| | | || |
|| | | ||
|| | |
||
TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t
|| | | ||
|| | |
||
| -online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.go
|| | | || | og le.com!a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
|| | | || | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|| | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:839549
|| | | || | X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080428-0, 04/28/2008), Inbound
|| | | || | message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
||
|| ...snip
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
|| pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · May 15, 2008

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| I'm not really following the details.

It looks like Zabcar is able to post one word posts now-- a big
improvement! But he still cannot post the word "f l o o d", using aioe
as his server. It may be a case screwy censoring!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23rR998gtIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> news:eFE4D2VtIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> | At least!
|>
|> I guess I must be grateful all my posts to this thread are posting,
|> anyhow. I see Zabcar is having trouble. It's happened to me in others
|> threads, though! I don't see a response from him to you in here-- &
|> yet he has proven he did so!
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | www.grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ONC94zVtIHA.3604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> | > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | > | You have more than enough information to deduce whatever could
|> | > | possibly be deduced from this end. Someone was doing something
|> | > | at "http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET Gateway" and
|> | > | screwed up. Microsoft had nothing to do with it except if they
|> | > | want to clean it up, which I suspect they won't.
|> | >
|> | > Well, I don't see that any new ones came in today. Maybe they've
|> | > fixed it. I guess computerhelpforums was sending old posts to
|> | > the MS server a second time! The first is dated 4/12/08 12:22 AM
|> | > by Bill of Co., & the last is 5/10/08 4:14 AM by MEB. But those
|> | > both came in yesterday to join the duplicate already here! I'll
|> | > hold back on any curse or spell on you three/four MVPs until I
|> | > see a new one. I think I owe you that much!
|> | >
|> | > | --
|> | > | Gary S. Terhune
|> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | > | www.grystmill.com
|> | > |
|> | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | > | news:uyDZdxJtIHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> | > |> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> | > |> news:%23RfrgfJtIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> | > |> | You're acting as if I really care what happened to the
|> | > |> | server, <bg>. I don't. It puked, it didn't provide any new
|> | > |> | messages that I would care about, end of story.
|> | > |>
|> | > |> I'm putting it on your head & Bear's head & even Brian A.'s
|> | > |> head as MVP's to find an actual MS personage & hold his feet
|> | > |> to the fire for a cure! Did someone spill bear on the server?
|> | > |>
|> | > |> | But... Your two samples were sent using different email
|> | > |> | addresses and are posted at the same time but off by four
|> | > |> | hours. My bet is that whoever made this one:
|> | > |> | Guest.399ho0@nntp.nospam.local, was setting up an nntp
|> | > |> | server and screwed up, resulting in his server reposting
|> | > |> | the messages, using the different email address and wrong
|> | > |> | time stamp.
|> | > |>
|> | > |> I'm beginning to discover each duplicated post has one
|> | > |> difference-- the 1st one has a note on the bottom stating...
|> | > |>
|> | > |> Posted via http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET
|> | > |> Gateway
|> | > |>
|> | > |> What could it mean? As far as the time, actually OE shows
|> | > |> them in its display to be the same exact time-- it only looks
|> | > |> different in the Properties.
|> | > |>
|> | > |> | --
|> | > |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | > |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | > |> | www.grystmill.com
|> | > |> |
|> | > |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | > |> | news:O6NySNJtIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> | > |> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> | > |> | > news:%23M$tV7ItIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> | > |> | > | Ctrl-A in Outlook Express, marks All messages as Read.
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |> | > Alright. I did the reset & then the equivalent of that.
|> | > |> | > Oh, no! It's much the same as before. What's up??? It
|> | > |> | > took about an hour for me to read in 3030 posts! Here's
|> | > |> | > another sample...!...
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |> | > From: dave xnet <Guest.399ho0@nntp.nospam.local>
|> | > |> | > Subject: Folder double-click or Open doesn't do anything
|> | > |> | > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:54:46 -0500
|> | > |> | > Message-ID: <Guest.399ho0@nntp.nospam.local>
|> | > |> | > Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
|> | > |> | > User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
|> | > |> | > X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
|> | > |> | > X-Originating-IP: davexnet02DEL@E
|> | > |> | > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|> | > |> | > NNTP-Posting-Host:
|> | > |> | > 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
|> | > |> | > 72.36.151.58
|> | > |> | > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
|> | > |> | > Lines: 1
|> | > |> | > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|> | > |> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840170
|> | > |> | > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound
|> | > |> | > message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |> | > From: dave xnet <davexnet02DEL@ETEyahoo.com>
|> | > |> | > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|> | > |> | > Subject: Folder double-click or Open doesn't do anything
|> | > |> | > Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 17:54:46 -0700
|> | > |> | > Message-ID: <p3v12417boi890viht782bejbmhki7t1j9@4ax.com>
|> | > |> | > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118
|> | > |> | > MIME-Version: 1.0
|> | > |> | > Content-Type: text/plain charset=us-ascii
|> | > |> | > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
|> | > |> | > Lines: 12
|> | > |> | > Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online
|> | > |> | > http://www.rr.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.169.242.207
|> | > |> | > X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com
|> | > |> | > Path:
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |>
|> | >
|>
TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!newsf
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |>
|> | >
|>
eed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giga
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |>
|> | >
|>
news.com!nntp.giganews.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |>
|> | >
|>
..16.185.51.MISMATCH!tmp-post01.iad!news.highwinds-media.com!roadrunner.c
|> | > |> | > om!not-for-mail
|> | > |> | > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|> | > |> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:839942
|> | > |> | > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound
|> | > |> | > message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |> | > | --
|> | > |> | > | Gary S. Terhune
|> | > |> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | > |> | > | www.grystmill.com
|> | > |> | > |
|> | > |> | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | > |> | > | news:eIhtblItIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> | > |> | > | > Uhuh-- hundreds of unread duplicates! But, in
|> | > |> | > | > most/many cases, it seemed to be just the initial
|> | > |> | > | > post of certain threads that was duplicated. If it
|> | > |> | > | > was due to drunkenness & puking, can it be they had
|> | > |> | > | > put Brian A. temporarily in charge? What did Ctrl-A
|> | > |> | > | > do? Do you mean, instead, you highlighted the
|> | > |> | > | > duplicates & pressed Ctrl-D? I lean toward a reset,
|> | > |> | > | > which I see did cure Zabcar.
|> | > |> | > | >
|> | > |> | > | > Anyhow, I see it wasn't just me &/or P.A. Bear that
|> | > |> | > | > was affected. I see it doesn't matter what news
|> | > |> | > | > reader is used, by Stapley's & Zabcar's words. The
|> | > |> | > | > phenomenon hasn't affected my other (non-MS) NG,
|> | > |> | > | > either-- so, it's something screwy at the MS Server
|> | > |> | > | > going on, though I'm not convinced it's the same
|> | > |> | > | > shenanigan that MEB recently encountered with his
|> | > |> | > | > HotMail.
|> | > |> | > | >
|> | > |> | > | > I guess I'll reset the NG. OK, thanks.
|> | > |> | > | >
|> | > |> | > | > --
|> | > |> | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
|> | > |> | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
|> | > |> | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
|> | > |> | > | > Should things get worse after this,
|> | > |> | > | > PCR
|> | > |> | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
|> | > |> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> | > |> | > | > news:ebEcUx%23sIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> | > |> | > | > | Here's my highly intricate, extremely technical
|> | > |> | > | > | explanation: Sometime this morning, the server
|> | > |> | > | > | puked. During a refresh, all of a sudden there were
|> | > |> | > | > | hundreds of unread duplicates. I checked a couple
|> | > |> | > | > | to be sure they weren't "missing posts", then
|> | > |> | > | > | pressed Ctrl-A.
|> | > |> | > | > |
|> | > |> | > | > | --
|> | > |> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
|> | > |> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | > |> | > | > | www.grystmill.com
|> | > |> | > | > |
|> | > |> | > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | > |> | > | > | news:%23lRWx69sIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> | > |> | > | > | > Why am I seeing over 300 duplicated posts in this
|> | > |> | > | > | > NG!? It seems the first post in many threads are
|> | > |> | > | > | > showing the initial post
|> | > |> TWICE.
|> | > |> | > In
|> | > |> | > | > some
|> | > |> | > | > | > case, entire thread segments are duplicated. My
|> | > |> | > | > | > inclination
|> | > |> is
|> | > |> | > to
|> | > |> | > | > reset
|> | > |> | > | > | > the NG. But I must go now-- no time to even
|> | > |> | > | > | > investigate!
|> | > |> | > | > | >
|> | > |> | > | > | > The posts are identical, but their Properties are
|> | > |> | > | > | > different. Here is an example. Can the posts be
|> | > |> | > | > | > coming into this NG (I am connected directly to
|> | > |> | > | > | > the MS Server) from two different sources? Why do
|> | > |> | > | > | > the
|> | > |> dates
|> | > |> | > seem
|> | > |> | > | > to
|> | > |> | > | > | > indicate different time zones?
|> | > |> | > | > | >
|> | > |> | > | > | > From: afz <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
|> | > |> | > | > | > Subject: wise install new product version on an
|> | > |> | > | > | > old version Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:49:51 -0500
|> | > |> | > | > | > Message-ID: <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
|> | > |> | > | > | > Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
|> | > |> | > | > | > User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
|> | > |> | > | > | > X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
|> | > |> | > | > | > X-Originating-IP: amit.azizi@gmai
|> | > |> | > | > | > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|> | > |> | > | > | > NNTP-Posting-Host:
|> | > |> | > | > | > 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
|> | > |> | > | > | > 72.36.151.58
|> | > |> | > | > | > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
|> | > |> | > | > | > Lines: 1
|> | > |> | > | > | > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|> | > |> | > | > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840140
|> | > |> | > | > | > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080510-0, 05/10/2008),
|> | > |> | > | > | > Inbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|> | > |> | > | > | >
|> | > |> | > | > | > From: afz <amit.azizi@gmail.com>
|> | > |> | > | > | > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|> | > |> | > | > | > Subject: wise install new product version on an
|> | > |> | > | > | > old version Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:49:51 -0700
|> | > |> | > | > | > (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com
|> | > |> | > | > | > Lines: 15
|> | > |> | > | > | > Message-ID:
|> | > |> | > | > | >
|> | > |> | >
|> | >
<3da8a85e-c8f3-46c5-93ae-34aad6591d90@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
|> | > |> | > | > | > NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.179.33.130
|> | > |> | > | > | > Mime-Version: 1.0
|> | > |> | > | > | > Content-Type: text/plain charset=ISO-8859-1
|> | > |> | > | > | > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
|> | > |> | > | > | > X-Trace: posting.google.com 1209458991 14365
|> | > |> | > | > | > 127.0.0.1 (29 Apr 2008 08:49:51 GMT)
|> | > |> | > | > | > X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
|> | > |> | > | > | > NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:49:51
|> | > |> | > | > | > +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
|> | > |> | > | > | > Injection-Info: a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
|> | > |> | > | > | > posting-host=212.179.33.130
|> | > |> | > | > | > posting-account=qCGXIQoAAACiU37JXfSn1JsDwTuJ43t1
|> | > |> | > | > | > User-Agent: G2/1.0
|> | > |> | > | > | > X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE
|> | > |> | > | > | > 6.0 Windows NT 5.1 SV1 .NET
|> | > |> | > | > | > CLR 2.0.50727 .NET CLR 1.1.4322
|> | > |> | > InfoPath.2),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
|> | > |> | > | > | > Bytes: 1606
|> | > |> | > | > | > Path:
|> | > |> | > | > | >
|> | > |> | > | >
|> | > |> | >
|> | > |>
|> | >
|>
TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t
|> | > |> | > | > |
|> | > |> | > |
|> | > |> |
|> | >
|>
|>>>> -online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnew
|> | > s.
|> | > |> g
|> | > |> | > o
|> | > |> | > | > og
|> | > |> | > | > | > le.com!a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
|> | > |> | > | > | > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|> | > |> | > | > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:839549
|> | > |> | > | > | > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080428-0, 04/28/2008),
|> | > |> | > | > | > Inbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|> | > |> | > | > | >
|> | > |> | > | > | >
|> | > |> | > | > | > --
|> | > |> | > | > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
|> | > |> | > | > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
|> | > |> | > | > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
|> | > |> | > | > | > Should things get worse after this,
|> | > |> | > | > | > PCR
|> | > |> | > | > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
|> | >
|> | > --
|> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
|> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
|> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
|> | > Should things get worse after this,
|> | > PCR
|> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

Franc Zabkar · May 15, 2008

On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:37:59 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

>Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>| I'm not really following the details.
>
>It looks like Zabcar is able to post one word posts now-- a big
>improvement! But he still cannot post the word "f l o o d", using aioe
>as his server. It may be a case screwy censoring!

No, it happens with any server. Try it yourself. There is some
censorship happening at Microsoft's end. Microsoft's news server
(which appears to be moderated by a bot) is dropping any post that
contains prohibited words.

See http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/moderated-ng-faq/

===========================================================
Commonly used robo-mod [negative] criteria might include:

message is inappropriately cross-posted

message is from unknown poster

message contains words or phrases
that trigger review by human moderator
("m a k e m o n e y f a s t," "m o d e m t a x," "good t i m e
s v i r u s")
===========================================================

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

MEB · May 16, 2008

Well, taken with the supposed support responses I'm getting from Live, I'd
say its more than drunk, its higher than a kite [or short a few cans
maybe]...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:em0n6GutIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| MEB wrote:
| | It may take longer than that,,, was there a convention
| | recently???{erp}
|
| It doesn't take a convention for Brian A., Otis Campbell, & Ernest T. to
| get at it!
|
| | The CERT MIGHT explain a bit of the issue, server updates...
|
| It still might have gone well had half of them been sober.
|
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| | news:%23UZKQDhtIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| || news:%23wV$HDWtIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || | What has apparently escaped many is:
| || |
| || | This would be considered as a hack. Be it for advertising,
| || | increasing net presence [and yes spiders search for this type of
| || | info as well] or other. It would be interesting to see if this
| || | was done in the other forums as well. That would potential
| || | increase the NET presence for this service by thousands of users
| || | *supposedly* using the service. Think potential
| || | revenue/advertising.
| ||
| || I'm thinking it's just a horrible mistake or someone spilt beer on
| || the MS server or on computerhelpforums. I haven't seen new
| || duplicates for two days I think. And I'm still waiting for Otis
| || Campbell to come to for questioning! That's Brian A.'s drinking
| || buddy!
| ||
| || | --
| || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| || | --
| || | _________
| || |
| || |
| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | news:ej9Lg3VtIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| || | | MEB wrote:
| || | | | Hmm, interesting, you may have found the potential answer.
| || | | | Not *this* server reset, but another which caused this by
| || | | | reposting the originals back to the group... didn't notice
| || | | | that,,
| || | |
| || | | Yep. Looks like these are old posts coming in a 2nd time.
| || | |
| || | | | FIND provided these results:
| || | | |
| || | | | 199 messages - from 04-12-08 to 05-12-08 with the Posted via
| || | | | http://computerhelpforums.net
| || | |
| || | | I see 202 that way, but it's also showing replies to posts that
| || | | contain that. Odd, I thought there were 100 more than that
| || | | yesterday. I guess the reset I did adjusted it somewhat.
| || | |
| || | | | Gee, seems an un-reputable [and likely illegal] way to make a
| || | | | server *appear* to be the news posting portal of choice by
| || | | | most of the posters here. Of course this will be reflected on
| || | | | ALL mirrors, so either this was an honest mistake, or this
| || | | | group and Microsoft just got hacked.
| || | |
| || | | I don't mind them appending the advertisement-- if only they'll
| || | | send it just once! I notice this current post of yours does not
| || | | contain it. So-- you sent this one here directly? Or can I
| || | | expect the other to come in a week or two?
| || | |
| || | | | --
| || | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| || | | | --
| || | | | _________
| || | | |
| || | | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | | | news:eC2njsJtIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| || | | || Wait a minute! A reset & compact didn't cure it-- I STILL have
| || | | || duplicates! However, now I am noticing they aren't precisely
| || | | || duplicated. The first seems always to have this note at the
| || | | || bottom...
| || | | ||
| || | | || Posted via http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET
| || | | || Gateway
| || | | ||
| || | | || So, I guess whoever uses that forum gets to have his post
| || | | || appear here TWICE! Or are they, themselves, posting it
| || | | || twice-- once to there & once to here -- & causing me & P.A.
| || | | || Bear to see double!!? MEB! What about you...?...
| || | | ||
| || | | || From: MEB <Guest.399ho6@nntp.nospam.local>
| || | | || Subject: Login issues Live.com
| || | | || Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 03:14:18 -0500
| || | | || Message-ID: <Guest.399ho6@nntp.nospam.local>
| || | | || Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
| || | | || User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
| || | | || X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
| || | | || X-Originating-IP: meb@not here@ho
| || | | || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| || | | || NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
| || | | || 72.36.151.58
| || | | || Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| || | | || Lines: 1
| || | | || Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
| || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840176 X-Antivirus:
| || | | || avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound message
| || | | || X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || | | ||
| || | | || From: "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| || | | || Subject: Login issues Live.com
| || | | || Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 04:14:18 -0400
| || | | || Lines: 8
| || | | || X-Priority: 3
| || | | || X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| || | | || X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
| || | | || X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
| || | | || X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080509-0, 05/09/2008), Outbound
| || | | || message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || | | || Message-ID: <O6ITaXnsIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
| || | | || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| || | | || NNTP-Posting-Host: ACA6986D.ipt.aol.com 172.166.152.109
| || | | || Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
| || | | || Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
| || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840024 X-Antivirus:
| || | | || avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound message
| || | | || X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || | | ||
| || | | ||
| || | | || --
| || | | || Thanks or Good Luck,
| || | | || There may be humor in this post, and,
| || | | || Naturally, you will not sue,
| || | | || Should things get worse after this,
| || | | || PCR
| || | | || pcrrcp@netzero.net
| || | | || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | | || news:%23lRWx69sIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || | | || | Why am I seeing over 300 duplicated posts in this NG!? It
| || | | || | seems the first post in many threads are showing the
| || | | || | initial post TWICE. In some case, entire thread segments
| || | | || | are duplicated. My inclination is to
| || | | || reset
| || | | || | the NG. But I must go now-- no time to even investigate!
| || | | || |
| || | | || | The posts are identical, but their Properties are
| || | | || | different. Here is
| || | | || an
| || | | || | example. Can the posts be coming into this NG (I am
| || | | || | connected directly to the MS Server) from two different
| || | | || | sources? Why do the dates seem to indicate different time
| || | | || | zones?
| || | | || |
| || | | || | From: afz <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
| || | | || | Subject: wise install new product version on an old version
| || | | || | Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:49:51 -0500
| || | | || | Message-ID: <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
| || | | || | Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
| || | | || | User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
| || | | || | X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
| || | | || | X-Originating-IP: amit.azizi@gmai
| || | | || | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
| || | | || | 72.36.151.58
| || | | || | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| || | | || | Lines: 1
| || | | || | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
| || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840140
| || | | || | X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080510-0, 05/10/2008), Inbound
| || | | || | message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || | | || |
| || | | || | From: afz <amit.azizi@gmail.com>
| || | | || | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| || | | || | Subject: wise install new product version on an old version
| || | | || | Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:49:51 -0700 (PDT)
| || | | || | Organization: http://groups.google.com
| || | | || | Lines: 15
| || | | || | Message-ID:
| || | | || |
| || <3da8a85e-c8f3-46c5-93ae-34aad6591d90@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
| || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.179.33.130
| || | | || | Mime-Version: 1.0
| || | | || | Content-Type: text/plain charset=ISO-8859-1
| || | | || | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
| || | | || | X-Trace: posting.google.com 1209458991 14365 127.0.0.1 (29
| || | | || | Apr 2008 08:49:51 GMT)
| || | | || | X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
| || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:49:51 +0000 (UTC)
| || | | || | Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
| || | | || | Injection-Info: a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
| || | | || | posting-host=212.179.33.130
| || | | || | posting-account=qCGXIQoAAACiU37JXfSn1JsDwTuJ43t1
| || | | || | User-Agent: G2/1.0
| || | | || | X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0
| || | | || | Windows NT
| || | | || | 5.1 SV1 .NET
| || | | || | CLR 2.0.50727 .NET CLR 1.1.4322
| || InfoPath.2),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
| || | | || | Bytes: 1606
| || | | || | Path:
| || | | || |
| || | | ||
| || | |
| ||
| TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t
| || | | ||
| || | |
| ||
| | -online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.go
| || | | || | og le.com!a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
| || | | || | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
| || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:839549
| || | | || | X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080428-0, 04/28/2008), Inbound
| || | | || | message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| ||
| || ...snip
| || --
| || Thanks or Good Luck,
| || There may be humor in this post, and,
| || Naturally, you will not sue,
| || Should things get worse after this,
| || PCR
| || pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
|

PCR · May 16, 2008

MEB wrote:
| Well, taken with the supposed support responses I'm getting from
| Live, I'd say its more than drunk, its higher than a kite [or short a
| few cans maybe]...

I've been following the action on your Live complaint. You tend to get a
bit testy with people on that one. I make no moral judgment & won't take
sides. I will sell bandages & bacitracin ointment to both sides, once my
heels are cured of walking sores. I suppose some bloodletting is
understandable, if you are about to lose a ton of stored data or mail
that you expected would be around forever & someone takes Microsoft's
side.

These have something to do with court documents? Aren't there records of
these things at the court? I hope you don't go from civil to criminal
court over this matter. And stay out of the Bronx-- soon, I must report
for jury duty!

| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:em0n6GutIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| MEB wrote:
|| | It may take longer than that,,, was there a convention
|| | recently???{erp}
||
|| It doesn't take a convention for Brian A., Otis Campbell, & Ernest
|| T. to get at it!
||
|| | The CERT MIGHT explain a bit of the issue, server updates...
||
|| It still might have gone well had half of them been sober.
||
|| | --
|| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| | --
|| | _________
|| |
|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | news:%23UZKQDhtIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| || news:%23wV$HDWtIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| || | What has apparently escaped many is:
|| || |
|| || | This would be considered as a hack. Be it for advertising,
|| || | increasing net presence [and yes spiders search for this type of
|| || | info as well] or other. It would be interesting to see if this
|| || | was done in the other forums as well. That would potential
|| || | increase the NET presence for this service by thousands of users
|| || | *supposedly* using the service. Think potential
|| || | revenue/advertising.
|| ||
|| || I'm thinking it's just a horrible mistake or someone spilt beer on
|| || the MS server or on computerhelpforums. I haven't seen new
|| || duplicates for two days I think. And I'm still waiting for Otis
|| || Campbell to come to for questioning! That's Brian A.'s drinking
|| || buddy!
|| ||
|| || | --
|| || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| || | --
|| || | _________
|| || |
|| || |
|| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| || | news:ej9Lg3VtIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|| || | | MEB wrote:
|| || | | | Hmm, interesting, you may have found the potential answer.
|| || | | | Not *this* server reset, but another which caused this by
|| || | | | reposting the originals back to the group... didn't notice
|| || | | | that,,
|| || | |
|| || | | Yep. Looks like these are old posts coming in a 2nd time.
|| || | |
|| || | | | FIND provided these results:
|| || | | |
|| || | | | 199 messages - from 04-12-08 to 05-12-08 with the Posted via
|| || | | | http://computerhelpforums.net
|| || | |
|| || | | I see 202 that way, but it's also showing replies to posts
|| || | | that contain that. Odd, I thought there were 100 more than
|| || | | that yesterday. I guess the reset I did adjusted it somewhat.
|| || | |
|| || | | | Gee, seems an un-reputable [and likely illegal] way to
|| || | | | make a server *appear* to be the news posting portal of
|| || | | | choice by most of the posters here. Of course this will be
|| || | | | reflected on ALL mirrors, so either this was an honest
|| || | | | mistake, or this group and Microsoft just got hacked.
|| || | |
|| || | | I don't mind them appending the advertisement-- if only
|| || | | they'll send it just once! I notice this current post of
|| || | | yours does not contain it. So-- you sent this one here
|| || | | directly? Or can I expect the other to come in a week or two?
|| || | |
|| || | | | --
|| || | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| || | | | --
|| || | | | _________
|| || | | |
|| || | | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| || | | | news:eC2njsJtIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| || | | || Wait a minute! A reset & compact didn't cure it-- I STILL
|| || | | || have duplicates! However, now I am noticing they aren't
|| || | | || precisely duplicated. The first seems always to have this
|| || | | || note at the bottom...
|| || | | ||
|| || | | || Posted via http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET
|| || | | || Gateway
|| || | | ||
|| || | | || So, I guess whoever uses that forum gets to have his post
|| || | | || appear here TWICE! Or are they, themselves, posting it
|| || | | || twice-- once to there & once to here -- & causing me & P.A.
|| || | | || Bear to see double!!? MEB! What about you...?...
|| || | | ||
|| || | | || From: MEB <Guest.399ho6@nntp.nospam.local>
|| || | | || Subject: Login issues Live.com
|| || | | || Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 03:14:18 -0500
|| || | | || Message-ID: <Guest.399ho6@nntp.nospam.local>
|| || | | || Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
|| || | | || User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
|| || | | || X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
|| || | | || X-Originating-IP: meb@not here@ho
|| || | | || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| || | | || NNTP-Posting-Host:
|| || | | || 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
|| || | | || 72.36.151.58
|| || | | || Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
|| || | | || Lines: 1
|| || | | || Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|| || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840176 X-Antivirus:
|| || | | || avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound message
|| || | | || X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| || | | ||
|| || | | || From: "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
|| || | | || Subject: Login issues Live.com
|| || | | || Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 04:14:18 -0400
|| || | | || Lines: 8
|| || | | || X-Priority: 3
|| || | | || X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
|| || | | || X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
|| || | | || X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
|| || | | || X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080509-0, 05/09/2008), Outbound
|| || | | || message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| || | | || Message-ID: <O6ITaXnsIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
|| || | | || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| || | | || NNTP-Posting-Host: ACA6986D.ipt.aol.com 172.166.152.109
|| || | | || Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
|| || | | || Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|| || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840024 X-Antivirus:
|| || | | || avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound message
|| || | | || X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| || | | ||
|| || | | ||
|| || | | || --
|| || | | || Thanks or Good Luck,
|| || | | || There may be humor in this post, and,
|| || | | || Naturally, you will not sue,
|| || | | || Should things get worse after this,
|| || | | || PCR
|| || | | || pcrrcp@netzero.net
|| || | | || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| || | | || news:%23lRWx69sIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| || | | || | Why am I seeing over 300 duplicated posts in this NG!? It
|| || | | || | seems the first post in many threads are showing the
|| || | | || | initial post TWICE. In some case, entire thread segments
|| || | | || | are duplicated. My inclination is to
|| || | | || reset
|| || | | || | the NG. But I must go now-- no time to even investigate!
|| || | | || |
|| || | | || | The posts are identical, but their Properties are
|| || | | || | different. Here is
|| || | | || an
|| || | | || | example. Can the posts be coming into this NG (I am
|| || | | || | connected directly to the MS Server) from two different
|| || | | || | sources? Why do the dates seem to indicate different time
|| || | | || | zones?
|| || | | || |
|| || | | || | From: afz <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
|| || | | || | Subject: wise install new product version on an old
|| || | | || | version Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:49:51 -0500
|| || | | || | Message-ID: <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
|| || | | || | Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
|| || | | || | User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
|| || | | || | X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
|| || | | || | X-Originating-IP: amit.azizi@gmai
|| || | | || | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Host:
|| || | | || | 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
|| || | | || | 72.36.151.58
|| || | | || | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
|| || | | || | Lines: 1
|| || | | || | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|| || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840140
|| || | | || | X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080510-0, 05/10/2008), Inbound
|| || | | || | message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| || | | || |
|| || | | || | From: afz <amit.azizi@gmail.com>
|| || | | || | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
|| || | | || | Subject: wise install new product version on an old
|| || | | || | version Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:49:51 -0700 (PDT)
|| || | | || | Organization: http://groups.google.com
|| || | | || | Lines: 15
|| || | | || | Message-ID:
|| || | | || |
|| ||
<3da8a85e-c8f3-46c5-93ae-34aad6591d90@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
|| || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.179.33.130
|| || | | || | Mime-Version: 1.0
|| || | | || | Content-Type: text/plain charset=ISO-8859-1
|| || | | || | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
|| || | | || | X-Trace: posting.google.com 1209458991 14365 127.0.0.1
|| || | | || | (29 Apr 2008 08:49:51 GMT)
|| || | | || | X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
|| || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:49:51 +0000 (UTC)
|| || | | || | Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
|| || | | || | Injection-Info: a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
|| || | | || | posting-host=212.179.33.130
|| || | | || | posting-account=qCGXIQoAAACiU37JXfSn1JsDwTuJ43t1
|| || | | || | User-Agent: G2/1.0
|| || | | || | X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0
|| || | | || | Windows NT
|| || | | || | 5.1 SV1 .NET
|| || | | || | CLR 2.0.50727 .NET CLR 1.1.4322
|| || InfoPath.2),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
|| || | | || | Bytes: 1606
|| || | | || | Path:
|| || | | || |
|| || | | ||
|| || | |
|| ||
||
TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t
|| || | | ||
|| || | |
|| ||
||
| -online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.go
|| || | | || | og le.com!a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
|| || | | || | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
|| || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:839549
|| || | | || | X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080428-0, 04/28/2008), Inbound
|| || | | || | message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
|| ||
|| || ...snip
|| || --
|| || Thanks or Good Luck,
|| || There may be humor in this post, and,
|| || Naturally, you will not sue,
|| || Should things get worse after this,
|| || PCR
|| || pcrrcp@netzero.net
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
|| pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

PCR · May 16, 2008

Franc Zabkar wrote:
| On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:37:59 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| finger to keyboard and composed:
|
|>Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|>| I'm not really following the details.
|>
|>It looks like Zabcar is able to post one word posts now-- a big
|>improvement! But he still cannot post the word "f l o o d", using aioe
|>as his server. It may be a case screwy censoring!
|
| No, it happens with any server. Try it yourself. There is some
| censorship happening at Microsoft's end. Microsoft's news server
| (which appears to be moderated by a bot) is dropping any post that
| contains prohibited words.

OK. I sent one a few minutes ago right here with the word "f l o o d",
w/o the spaces. If this shows up without it, then you are correct-- I
can't do it, either! Then, we must set fire to MVP toes for a cure!

| See http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/moderated-ng-faq/
|
| ===========================================================
| Commonly used robo-mod [negative] criteria might include:
|
| message is inappropriately cross-posted
|
| message is from unknown poster
|
| message contains words or phrases
| that trigger review by human moderator
| ("m a k e m o n e y f a s t," "m o d e m t a x," "good t i m e
| s v i r u s")
| ===========================================================
|
| - Franc Zabkar
| --
| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

MEB · May 16, 2008

No, they are the documents I served upon the various parties in: The People
and their states of The United States of America verses James Bonini, and
related activities.

So that's: the court materials DOJ, Solicitor General, President,
Vice-President, US Attorneys Offices, Sixth Circuit, State government
offices, and other parties contacts and documentation email confirmations
and responses and other matter that must be held as evidential
materials/records relating to CM/ECF requirements and other records
requirements as required by Law and/or Rule.

I get testy with people who haven't a clue of what they are talking
about... be it Live or others.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23wjhO86tIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| MEB wrote:
| | Well, taken with the supposed support responses I'm getting from
| | Live, I'd say its more than drunk, its higher than a kite [or short a
| | few cans maybe]...
|
| I've been following the action on your Live complaint. You tend to get a
| bit testy with people on that one. I make no moral judgment & won't take
| sides. I will sell bandages & bacitracin ointment to both sides, once my
| heels are cured of walking sores. I suppose some bloodletting is
| understandable, if you are about to lose a ton of stored data or mail
| that you expected would be around forever & someone takes Microsoft's
| side.
|
| These have something to do with court documents? Aren't there records of
| these things at the court? I hope you don't go from civil to criminal
| court over this matter. And stay out of the Bronx-- soon, I must report
| for jury duty!
|
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| |
| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| | news:em0n6GutIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| || MEB wrote:
| || | It may take longer than that,,, was there a convention
| || | recently???{erp}
| ||
| || It doesn't take a convention for Brian A., Otis Campbell, & Ernest
| || T. to get at it!
| ||
| || | The CERT MIGHT explain a bit of the issue, server updates...
| ||
| || It still might have gone well had half of them been sober.
| ||
| || | --
| || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| || | --
| || | _________
| || |
| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | news:%23UZKQDhtIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| || || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| || || news:%23wV$HDWtIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || || | What has apparently escaped many is:
| || || |
| || || | This would be considered as a hack. Be it for advertising,
| || || | increasing net presence [and yes spiders search for this type of
| || || | info as well] or other. It would be interesting to see if this
| || || | was done in the other forums as well. That would potential
| || || | increase the NET presence for this service by thousands of users
| || || | *supposedly* using the service. Think potential
| || || | revenue/advertising.
| || ||
| || || I'm thinking it's just a horrible mistake or someone spilt beer on
| || || the MS server or on computerhelpforums. I haven't seen new
| || || duplicates for two days I think. And I'm still waiting for Otis
| || || Campbell to come to for questioning! That's Brian A.'s drinking
| || || buddy!
| || ||
| || || | --
| || || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| || || | --
| || || | _________
| || || |
| || || |
| || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || || | news:ej9Lg3VtIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| || || | | MEB wrote:
| || || | | | Hmm, interesting, you may have found the potential answer.
| || || | | | Not *this* server reset, but another which caused this by
| || || | | | reposting the originals back to the group... didn't notice
| || || | | | that,,
| || || | |
| || || | | Yep. Looks like these are old posts coming in a 2nd time.
| || || | |
| || || | | | FIND provided these results:
| || || | | |
| || || | | | 199 messages - from 04-12-08 to 05-12-08 with the Posted via
| || || | | | http://computerhelpforums.net
| || || | |
| || || | | I see 202 that way, but it's also showing replies to posts
| || || | | that contain that. Odd, I thought there were 100 more than
| || || | | that yesterday. I guess the reset I did adjusted it somewhat.
| || || | |
| || || | | | Gee, seems an un-reputable [and likely illegal] way to
| || || | | | make a server *appear* to be the news posting portal of
| || || | | | choice by most of the posters here. Of course this will be
| || || | | | reflected on ALL mirrors, so either this was an honest
| || || | | | mistake, or this group and Microsoft just got hacked.
| || || | |
| || || | | I don't mind them appending the advertisement-- if only
| || || | | they'll send it just once! I notice this current post of
| || || | | yours does not contain it. So-- you sent this one here
| || || | | directly? Or can I expect the other to come in a week or two?
| || || | |
| || || | | | --
| || || | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| || || | | | --
| || || | | | _________
| || || | | |
| || || | | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || || | | | news:eC2njsJtIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| || || | | || Wait a minute! A reset & compact didn't cure it-- I STILL
| || || | | || have duplicates! However, now I am noticing they aren't
| || || | | || precisely duplicated. The first seems always to have this
| || || | | || note at the bottom...
| || || | | ||
| || || | | || Posted via http://computerhelpforums.net Forum to USENET
| || || | | || Gateway
| || || | | ||
| || || | | || So, I guess whoever uses that forum gets to have his post
| || || | | || appear here TWICE! Or are they, themselves, posting it
| || || | | || twice-- once to there & once to here -- & causing me & P.A.
| || || | | || Bear to see double!!? MEB! What about you...?...
| || || | | ||
| || || | | || From: MEB <Guest.399ho6@nntp.nospam.local>
| || || | | || Subject: Login issues Live.com
| || || | | || Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 03:14:18 -0500
| || || | | || Message-ID: <Guest.399ho6@nntp.nospam.local>
| || || | | || Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
| || || | | || User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
| || || | | || X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
| || || | | || X-Originating-IP: meb@not here@ho
| || || | | || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| || || | | || NNTP-Posting-Host:
| || || | | || 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
| || || | | || 72.36.151.58
| || || | | || Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| || || | | || Lines: 1
| || || | | || Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
| || || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840176 X-Antivirus:
| || || | | || avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound message
| || || | | || X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || || | | ||
| || || | | || From: "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com>
| || || | | || Subject: Login issues Live.com
| || || | | || Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 04:14:18 -0400
| || || | | || Lines: 8
| || || | | || X-Priority: 3
| || || | | || X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| || || | | || X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
| || || | | || X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
| || || | | || X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080509-0, 05/09/2008), Outbound
| || || | | || message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || || | | || Message-ID: <O6ITaXnsIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
| || || | | || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| || || | | || NNTP-Posting-Host: ACA6986D.ipt.aol.com 172.166.152.109
| || || | | || Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
| || || | | || Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
| || || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840024 X-Antivirus:
| || || | | || avast! (VPS 080512-0, 05/12/2008), Inbound message
| || || | | || X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || || | | ||
| || || | | ||
| || || | | || --
| || || | | || Thanks or Good Luck,
| || || | | || There may be humor in this post, and,
| || || | | || Naturally, you will not sue,
| || || | | || Should things get worse after this,
| || || | | || PCR
| || || | | || pcrrcp@netzero.net
| || || | | || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || || | | || news:%23lRWx69sIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || || | | || | Why am I seeing over 300 duplicated posts in this NG!? It
| || || | | || | seems the first post in many threads are showing the
| || || | | || | initial post TWICE. In some case, entire thread segments
| || || | | || | are duplicated. My inclination is to
| || || | | || reset
| || || | | || | the NG. But I must go now-- no time to even investigate!
| || || | | || |
| || || | | || | The posts are identical, but their Properties are
| || || | | || | different. Here is
| || || | | || an
| || || | | || | example. Can the posts be coming into this NG (I am
| || || | | || | connected directly to the MS Server) from two different
| || || | | || | sources? Why do the dates seem to indicate different time
| || || | | || | zones?
| || || | | || |
| || || | | || | From: afz <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
| || || | | || | Subject: wise install new product version on an old
| || || | | || | version Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:49:51 -0500
| || || | | || | Message-ID: <Guest.399hn6@nntp.nospam.local>
| || || | | || | Organization: Computer Help Forums Gateway
| || || | | || | User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
| || || | | || | X-Newsreader: vBulletin USENET gateway
| || || | | || | X-Originating-IP: amit.azizi@gmai
| || || | | || | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| || || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Host:
| || || | | || | 58.151.36.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com
| || || | | || | 72.36.151.58
| || || | | || | Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| || || | | || | Lines: 1
| || || | | || | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
| || || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:840140
| || || | | || | X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080510-0, 05/10/2008), Inbound
| || || | | || | message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || || | | || |
| || || | | || | From: afz <amit.azizi@gmail.com>
| || || | | || | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| || || | | || | Subject: wise install new product version on an old
| || || | | || | version Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:49:51 -0700 (PDT)
| || || | | || | Organization: http://groups.google.com
| || || | | || | Lines: 15
| || || | | || | Message-ID:
| || || | | || |
| || ||
| <3da8a85e-c8f3-46c5-93ae-34aad6591d90@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
| || || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.179.33.130
| || || | | || | Mime-Version: 1.0
| || || | | || | Content-Type: text/plain charset=ISO-8859-1
| || || | | || | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
| || || | | || | X-Trace: posting.google.com 1209458991 14365 127.0.0.1
| || || | | || | (29 Apr 2008 08:49:51 GMT)
| || || | | || | X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
| || || | | || | NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:49:51 +0000 (UTC)
| || || | | || | Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
| || || | | || | Injection-Info: a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
| || || | | || | posting-host=212.179.33.130
| || || | | || | posting-account=qCGXIQoAAACiU37JXfSn1JsDwTuJ43t1
| || || | | || | User-Agent: G2/1.0
| || || | | || | X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0
| || || | | || | Windows NT
| || || | | || | 5.1 SV1 .NET
| || || | | || | CLR 2.0.50727 .NET CLR 1.1.4322
| || || InfoPath.2),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
| || || | | || | Bytes: 1606
| || || | | || | Path:
| || || | | || |
| || || | | ||
| || || | |
| || ||
| ||
| TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t
| || || | | ||
| || || | |
| || ||
| ||
| | -online.de!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.go
| || || | | || | og le.com!a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
| || || | | || | Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
| || || | | || microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:839549
| || || | | || | X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080428-0, 04/28/2008), Inbound
| || || | | || | message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
| || ||
| || || ...snip
| || || --
| || || Thanks or Good Luck,
| || || There may be humor in this post, and,
| || || Naturally, you will not sue,
| || || Should things get worse after this,
| || || PCR
| || || pcrrcp@netzero.net
| ||
| || --
| || Thanks or Good Luck,
| || There may be humor in this post, and,
| || Naturally, you will not sue,
| || Should things get worse after this,
| || PCR
| || pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
|

Gary S. Terhune · May 16, 2008

I already tested it yesterday. The server rejects the word. Don't know what
you'd expect an MVP to do about it. Gonna set my poodles on fire, eh? Not
sure I like the sound, er, smell of that.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uefXw%236tIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Franc Zabkar wrote:
> | On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:37:59 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
> | finger to keyboard and composed:
> |
> |>Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> |>| I'm not really following the details.
> |>
> |>It looks like Zabcar is able to post one word posts now-- a big
> |>improvement! But he still cannot post the word "f l o o d", using aioe
> |>as his server. It may be a case screwy censoring!
> |
> | No, it happens with any server. Try it yourself. There is some
> | censorship happening at Microsoft's end. Microsoft's news server
> | (which appears to be moderated by a bot) is dropping any post that
> | contains prohibited words.
>
> OK. I sent one a few minutes ago right here with the word "f l o o d",
> w/o the spaces. If this shows up without it, then you are correct-- I
> can't do it, either! Then, we must set fire to MVP toes for a cure!
>

PCR · May 17, 2008

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23C$fCg9tIHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| I already tested it yesterday. The server rejects the word. Don't know
what
| you'd expect an MVP to do about it. Gonna set my poodles on fire, eh?
Not
| sure I like the sound, er, smell of that.

I would never harm your poodles! It WON'T be my fault, if they try to
grab you by a burning toe to pull you out your next earthquake just
because Swarzennegger took a heavy step! I know sometimes MS-people will
drop in here, &/or P. A. Bear will visit them at Redmond! You & him &
Brian A. must speak to them, if they do-- & teach them "f l o o d" (w/o
the spaces) is no dirty word that I can think of!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uefXw%236tIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > Franc Zabkar wrote:
| > | On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:37:59 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put
| > | finger to keyboard and composed:
| > |
| > |>Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| > |>| I'm not really following the details.
| > |>
| > |>It looks like Zabcar is able to post one word posts now-- a big
| > |>improvement! But he still cannot post the word "f l o o d", using
aioe
| > |>as his server. It may be a case screwy censoring!
| > |
| > | No, it happens with any server. Try it yourself. There is some
| > | censorship happening at Microsoft's end. Microsoft's news server
| > | (which appears to be moderated by a bot) is dropping any post that
| > | contains prohibited words.
| >
| > OK. I sent one a few minutes ago right here with the word "f l o o
d",
| > w/o the spaces. If this shows up without it, then you are correct--
I
| > can't do it, either! Then, we must set fire to MVP toes for a cure!
| >
|

PCR · May 17, 2008

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uSqzKH9tIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| No, they are the documents I served upon the various parties in: The
People
| and their states of The United States of America verses James Bonini,
and
| related activities.
|
| So that's: the court materials DOJ, Solicitor General, President,
| Vice-President, US Attorneys Offices, Sixth Circuit, State government
| offices, and other parties contacts and documentation email
confirmations
| and responses and other matter that must be held as evidential
| materials/records relating to CM/ECF requirements and other records
| requirements as required by Law and/or Rule.

Well, anything that might be evidence in court should be in hard copy
form with signatures on it. You should have been making hard copies all
along, I'm sure nine out of ten lawyers would say. Otherwise, you'll
need a subpoena to examine folk's hard drives!

| I get testy with people who haven't a clue of what they are talking
| about... be it Live or others.

I think I may have seen you argue with folk who were faultless & only
trying to help you with that Live problem, albeit there may be no
solution possible.

| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23wjhO86tIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| | MEB wrote:
| | | Well, taken with the supposed support responses I'm getting from
| | | Live, I'd say its more than drunk, its higher than a kite [or
short a
| | | few cans maybe]...
| |
| | I've been following the action on your Live complaint. You tend to
get a
| | bit testy with people on that one. I make no moral judgment & won't
take
| | sides. I will sell bandages & bacitracin ointment to both sides,
once my
| | heels are cured of walking sores. I suppose some bloodletting is
| | understandable, if you are about to lose a ton of stored data or
mail
| | that you expected would be around forever & someone takes
Microsoft's
| | side.
| |
| | These have something to do with court documents? Aren't there
records of
| | these things at the court? I hope you don't go from civil to
criminal
| | court over this matter. And stay out of the Bronx-- soon, I must
report
| | for jury duty!
| |
| | | --
| | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | | --
| | | _________
| | |
| | |
| | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| | | news:em0n6GutIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
....snip

PA Bear [MS MVP] · May 17, 2008

[another thread that wouldn't die]

PCR · May 17, 2008

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
| [another thread that wouldn't die]

Oh yea it will.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

MEB · May 17, 2008

PCR · May 18, 2008

MEB wrote:
| ahem, check out CM/ECF requirements... any federal court which has
| implemented them.

This...?...
http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/cmecf/
.......Quote.........

CM/ECF is a case management system being implemented in the Federal
Judiciary for all bankruptcy, district and appellate courts. CM/ECF
allows courts to accept filings and provide access to filed documents
over the Internet.
......EOQ.............

I don't know anything about it. However, it says: "Ability to download
and print documents directly from the court system". So? Hurry up & do
it, if that's what you are about to lose!

| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23CMGa3HuIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| news:uSqzKH9tIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| | No, they are the documents I served upon the various parties in:
|| | The People and their states of The United States of America verses
|| | James Bonini, and related activities.
|| |
|| | So that's: the court materials DOJ, Solicitor General, President,
|| | Vice-President, US Attorneys Offices, Sixth Circuit, State
|| | government offices, and other parties contacts and documentation
|| | email confirmations and responses and other matter that must be
|| | held as evidential materials/records relating to CM/ECF
|| | requirements and other records requirements as required by Law
|| | and/or Rule.
||
|| Well, anything that might be evidence in court should be in hard copy
|| form with signatures on it. You should have been making hard copies
|| all along, I'm sure nine out of ten lawyers would say. Otherwise,
|| you'll need a subpoena to examine folk's hard drives!
||
|| | I get testy with people who haven't a clue of what they are
|| | talking about... be it Live or others.
||
|| I think I may have seen you argue with folk who were faultless & only
|| trying to help you with that Live problem, albeit there may be no
|| solution possible.
||
|| | --
|| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| | --
|| | _________
|| |
|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | news:%23wjhO86tIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| | | MEB wrote:
|| | | | Well, taken with the supposed support responses I'm getting
|| | | | from Live, I'd say its more than drunk, its higher than a kite
|| | | | [or short a few cans maybe]...
|| | |
|| | | I've been following the action on your Live complaint. You tend
|| | | to get a bit testy with people on that one. I make no moral
|| | | judgment & won't take sides. I will sell bandages & bacitracin
|| | | ointment to both sides, once my heels are cured of walking
|| | | sores. I suppose some bloodletting is understandable, if you are
|| | | about to lose a ton of stored data or mail that you expected
|| | | would be around forever & someone takes Microsoft's side.
|| | |
|| | | These have something to do with court documents? Aren't there
|| | | records of these things at the court? I hope you don't go from
|| | | civil to criminal court over this matter. And stay out of the
|| | | Bronx-- soon, I must report for jury duty!
|| | |
|| | | | --
|| | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| | | | --
|| | | | _________
|| | | |
|| | | |
|| | | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | | | news:em0n6GutIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| ...snip

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

MEB · May 18, 2008

See generally Maintenance of Records, Rules of Evidence, and recent digital
media rulings.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:e7nV%23qUuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| MEB wrote:
| | ahem, check out CM/ECF requirements... any federal court which has
| | implemented them.
|
| This...?...
| http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/cmecf/
| ......Quote.........
|
|
| CM/ECF is a case management system being implemented in the Federal
| Judiciary for all bankruptcy, district and appellate courts. CM/ECF
| allows courts to accept filings and provide access to filed documents
| over the Internet.
| .....EOQ.............
|
| I don't know anything about it. However, it says: "Ability to download
| and print documents directly from the court system". So? Hurry up & do
| it, if that's what you are about to lose!
|
|
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| | news:%23CMGa3HuIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| || news:uSqzKH9tIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| || | No, they are the documents I served upon the various parties in:
| || | The People and their states of The United States of America verses
| || | James Bonini, and related activities.
| || |
| || | So that's: the court materials DOJ, Solicitor General, President,
| || | Vice-President, US Attorneys Offices, Sixth Circuit, State
| || | government offices, and other parties contacts and documentation
| || | email confirmations and responses and other matter that must be
| || | held as evidential materials/records relating to CM/ECF
| || | requirements and other records requirements as required by Law
| || | and/or Rule.
| ||
| || Well, anything that might be evidence in court should be in hard copy
| || form with signatures on it. You should have been making hard copies
| || all along, I'm sure nine out of ten lawyers would say. Otherwise,
| || you'll need a subpoena to examine folk's hard drives!
| ||
| || | I get testy with people who haven't a clue of what they are
| || | talking about... be it Live or others.
| ||
| || I think I may have seen you argue with folk who were faultless & only
| || trying to help you with that Live problem, albeit there may be no
| || solution possible.
| ||
| || | --
| || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| || | --
| || | _________
| || |
| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | news:%23wjhO86tIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| || | | MEB wrote:
| || | | | Well, taken with the supposed support responses I'm getting
| || | | | from Live, I'd say its more than drunk, its higher than a kite
| || | | | [or short a few cans maybe]...
| || | |
| || | | I've been following the action on your Live complaint. You tend
| || | | to get a bit testy with people on that one. I make no moral
| || | | judgment & won't take sides. I will sell bandages & bacitracin
| || | | ointment to both sides, once my heels are cured of walking
| || | | sores. I suppose some bloodletting is understandable, if you are
| || | | about to lose a ton of stored data or mail that you expected
| || | | would be around forever & someone takes Microsoft's side.
| || | |
| || | | These have something to do with court documents? Aren't there
| || | | records of these things at the court? I hope you don't go from
| || | | civil to criminal court over this matter. And stay out of the
| || | | Bronx-- soon, I must report for jury duty!
| || | |
| || | | | --
| || | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| || | | | --
| || | | | _________
| || | | |
| || | | |
| || | | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| || | | | news:em0n6GutIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| || ...snip
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
|
|

PCR · May 18, 2008

MEB wrote:
| See generally Maintenance of Records, Rules of Evidence, and recent
| digital media rulings.

http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/cmecf/ecffaq.html
CM/ECF Frequently Asked Questions

I haven't read the whole document. It seems the government is intent on
making CM/ECF to continue work to store & retrieve court documents. What
makes you think the change MS is doing with Live will interfere with
that?

| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:e7nV%23qUuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| MEB wrote:
|| | ahem, check out CM/ECF requirements... any federal court which has
|| | implemented them.
||
|| This...?...
|| http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/cmecf/
|| ......Quote.........
||
||
|| CM/ECF is a case management system being implemented in the Federal
|| Judiciary for all bankruptcy, district and appellate courts. CM/ECF
|| allows courts to accept filings and provide access to filed documents
|| over the Internet.
|| .....EOQ.............
||
|| I don't know anything about it. However, it says: "Ability to
|| download and print documents directly from the court system". So?
|| Hurry up & do it, if that's what you are about to lose!
||
||
|| | --
|| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| | --
|| | _________
|| |
|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| | news:%23CMGa3HuIHA.1872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|| || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
|| || news:uSqzKH9tIHA.672@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|| || | No, they are the documents I served upon the various parties in:
|| || | The People and their states of The United States of America
|| || | verses James Bonini, and related activities.
|| || |
|| || | So that's: the court materials DOJ, Solicitor General,
|| || | President, Vice-President, US Attorneys Offices, Sixth Circuit,
|| || | State government offices, and other parties contacts and
|| || | documentation email confirmations and responses and other
|| || | matter that must be held as evidential materials/records
|| || | relating to CM/ECF requirements and other records requirements
|| || | as required by Law and/or Rule.
|| ||
|| || Well, anything that might be evidence in court should be in hard
|| || copy form with signatures on it. You should have been making hard
|| || copies all along, I'm sure nine out of ten lawyers would say.
|| || Otherwise, you'll need a subpoena to examine folk's hard drives!
|| ||
|| || | I get testy with people who haven't a clue of what they are
|| || | talking about... be it Live or others.
|| ||
|| || I think I may have seen you argue with folk who were faultless &
|| || only trying to help you with that Live problem, albeit there may
|| || be no solution possible.
|| ||
|| || | --
|| || | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| || | --
|| || | _________
|| || |
|| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| || | news:%23wjhO86tIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| || | | MEB wrote:
|| || | | | Well, taken with the supposed support responses I'm getting
|| || | | | from Live, I'd say its more than drunk, its higher than a
|| || | | | kite [or short a few cans maybe]...
|| || | |
|| || | | I've been following the action on your Live complaint. You
|| || | | tend to get a bit testy with people on that one. I make no
|| || | | moral judgment & won't take sides. I will sell bandages &
|| || | | bacitracin ointment to both sides, once my heels are cured of
|| || | | walking sores. I suppose some bloodletting is understandable,
|| || | | if you are about to lose a ton of stored data or mail that
|| || | | you expected would be around forever & someone takes
|| || | | Microsoft's side.
|| || | |
|| || | | These have something to do with court documents? Aren't there
|| || | | records of these things at the court? I hope you don't go from
|| || | | civil to criminal court over this matter. And stay out of the
|| || | | Bronx-- soon, I must report for jury duty!
|| || | |
|| || | | | --
|| || | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|| || | | | --
|| || | | | _________
|| || | | |
|| || | | |
|| || | | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| || | | | news:em0n6GutIHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|| || ...snip
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
|| pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

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