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Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

CdLSRN wrote:
| I did not set anything in Belkin.

For Belkin, as Terhune has been saying, if it objects to avast!'s
doings, you must tell it to allow. However, I use Kerio Personal
Firewall & do not know Belkin at all. In Kerio, it is very easy to do!

| Perhaps I should have gone to my
| site and entered the Proxy settings for Avast.

What site? Do you mean something to do with your ISP (Internet Service
Provider)? I tend to agree with Jim to do it ONLY where that URL I
posted said using the IE requestor. It's a little different depending on
whether you use a LAN or not-- but that is described at the URL. If you
crash again, DrWatson may trap it & provide a clue. What is your avast!
version? R-Clk avast! in Tray, About avast!, scroll to top of About
window-- does it say Build 4.8.1201?

But really you should get a signed release from Terhune before we do
this!

| I believe it was a fatal exception OD... but I didn't stay there
| long. I was afraid I had lost my machine. Sorry. As you can see I
| ran Dr. Watson.and posted the results......saved a copy to the
| desktop and closed it.

Get DrWatson into your Startup Group as I posted earlier. Then, it will
sit in your Tray ready to grab info the next time you crash. Post the
Diagnosis tab at that time. As for the one you've already posted, I've
answered elsewhere. It isn't horribly bad, but I want to investigate
that <unknown>.

| Yes I had fatal exceptions OD a few years
| ago (or more) caused me no end of
| trouble. Either caused by McAfee or one of my other troublesome
| firewalls.

Alright. Never mind that. If you hadn't been getting them recently, it
could be the new setting attempts. Lets see what DrWatson may say.

| CA was the first trouble free firewall that I can
| remember. Sorry, don't remember the last thing I clicked before the
| crash. I am going to set up Dr. Watson now . Then I will set up the
| proxy and the web scanner.

Very good!

| I will look for Brians links for windows
| 98 and Avast Web Shield. Should I put the proxy settings in to
| Belkin? Ginny

As Jim said (& I tend to agree)-- put the proxy settings ONLY where that
URL says. Belkin must be set to allow avast! to use the NET, though, if
it should complain. But I don't know how to do that.

Also you said...

| Perhaps it needs Quick Time to run. Ha Ha. When I tried to set up
| web shield or just open Avast it gave me several different error
| messages. "Program cannot load storage", The process cannot load,
| etc. Unless I hear from someone I will remove it and try a reinstall.
| Could Dr. Watson have interfered with it? Ginny

It won't be DrWatson, as Jim said. An un/reinstall of avast! seems in
order. BUT-- are you running out of hard drive space again, as Terhune
one discovered you were?

"START button, Run, MSInfo32"
Use the Edit menu to post the System Information window contents.

|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> CdLSRN wrote:
|> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me
|> | to do. Gin
|>
|> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in all
|> threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than me! He
|> isn't quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After that, as
|> I posted elsewhere...
|>
|> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.
|>
|> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?
|> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,
|> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing
|> you clicked before it happened?
|> (c) Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?
|>
|> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...
|>
|> "START button, Run, DRWATSON"
|> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.
|>
|> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,
|> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits
|> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis
|> tab.
|>
|> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".
|> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)
|> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".
|> (c) R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".
|> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"
|> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".
|>
|> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.
|> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481
|> How to troubleshoot program faults with DrWatson
|>
|>
|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy.
|> |> | Didn't know that.
|> |>
|> |> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites only --
|> |> the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" & possibly
|> |> others -- there could be multiples involved when clicking a
|> |> single URL. I can see 4 http:'s flash by in pop-ups when I click
|> |> that avast! URL I posted earlier-- & the Scanned Count increased
|> |> from 17 to 22!
|> |>
|> |> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even
|> |> with Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for them.
|> |>
|> |> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.
|> |>
|> |> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar site,
|> |> as I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different from first
|> |> remembered)...
|> |>
|> |> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound an
|> |> alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the download is
|> |> allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or clicked
|> |> to run or open for avast! to detect a virus.
|> |>
|> |> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected as
|> |> soon as they are clicked at the site. The download box is not
|> |> offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.
|> |>
|> |> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file
|> |> will open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when
|> |> clicked. For a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd &
|> |> explicitly scanned! SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text
|> |> file will get detected when clicked at the site-- usually! If it
|> |> stops detecting that one, clear TIFs of all things Eicar. Sheesh.)
|> |>
|> |> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access Scan
|> |> was set to Normal or to High.
|> |>
|> |> | It can just sit there and
|> |> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't get
|> |> | is that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall
|> |> | installed on Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe
|> |> | I've undone enough now that it WILL just sit there and do
|> |> | nothing. I can't get her to test it, <g>.
|> |>
|> |> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to
|> |> figure it, if I can.
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> | www.grystmill.com
|> |> |
|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable
|> |> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that
|> |> |> | explain how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later
|> |> |> | versions.) Not sure WHICH one of these threads it's in, but
|> |> |> | perhaps you could find those messages. Brian didn't
|> |> |> | contribute TOO much to the threads, so it should be easy to
|> |> |> | find them.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new
|> |> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in
|> |> |> | my router (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to do
|> |> |> | any of the things suggested in the articles cited by Brian,
|> |> |> | and it is causing no problems. Never HAVE had to disable the
|> |> |> | WebShield, that I can recall, and I've not only been using it
|> |> |> | for at least a few years, but have installed it on numerous
|> |> |> | machines with WebShield enabled (including several '9x
|> |> |> | machines) and had no problems. Which just goes to show you
|> |> |> | that it ain't all that simple.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...
|> |> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869
|> |> |>
|> |> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s
|> |> |> performance at...
|> |> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
|> |> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee
|> |> |> was, which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses
|> |> |> there when clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had
|> |> |> to be opened after download before an alarm would sound-- not
|> |> |> simply clicked for download. )
|> |> |>
|> |> |> So...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.
|> |> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each site
|> |> |> you visit? Also...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (c) Click the Customise button.
|> |> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.
|> |> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.
|> |> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on
|> |> |> Performed Action
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in
|> |> |> pop-up windows at the bottom of your screen for each site you
|> |> |> visit?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier
|> |> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically
|> |> |> undone. That makes sense, since it was manually implemented in
|> |> |> the first place on this Win98 machine-- but one must remember
|> |> |> to undo it manually (I guess), in the event one wants to
|> |> |> uninstall avast! for good. If not undone, I'm thinking the NET
|> |> |> won't work!
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | --
|> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
|>
|> ...snip
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
C

CdLSRN

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Have a party. Thanks to Gary (and everyone who contributed, of course), I NOW HAVE
3.4 GB of FREE SPACE without losing anything but duplicates. I can download my
Pictures and movies without Quick Time! I have a software firewall and a virus
scanner, and no crashes. I am a happy girl! Ginny

| Perhaps I should have gone to my
> | site and entered the Proxy settings for Avast.


PCR asked what site:

Answer: My old but dependable Belkin Router has a site I have to go to in order to
set it up. They also have a phone number I can use forever to get advice without
paying. It is a very simple hardware firewall, not a NAT.....but I remember there is
a place to put in Proxy settings if I am not going to use Cable's settings. But for
now I think I will leave everything alone. But if you like I will run another Dr.
Watson & post it, now that we have done all this work on the computer. Ginny
 
C

CdLSRN

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

--------------------
Windows KB891711 component has altered Windows system files.

Module Name: KB891711.EXE
Description: Windows KB891711 component
Version: 4.10.2223
Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation

--------------------
Adobe Type Manager has altered Windows system files.

Module Name: ATMSYS.DRV
Description: Adobe Type Manager
Version: R v4.00-32S058G06NN
Product: Adobe Type Manager
Manufacturer: Adobe Systems Incorporated

--------------------
<unknown> has altered Windows system files.

Module Name: <unknown>

--------------------
Windows KB918547 EXE component has altered Windows system files.

Module Name: KB918547.EXE
Description: Windows KB918547 EXE component
Version: 4.10.2224
Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation

"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:48422530$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Have a party. Thanks to Gary (and everyone who contributed, of course), I NOW HAVE
> 3.4 GB of FREE SPACE without losing anything but duplicates. I can download my
> Pictures and movies without Quick Time! I have a software firewall and a virus
> scanner, and no crashes. I am a happy girl! Ginny
>
> | Perhaps I should have gone to my
> > | site and entered the Proxy settings for Avast.

>
> PCR asked what site:
>
> Answer: My old but dependable Belkin Router has a site I have to go to in order to
> set it up. They also have a phone number I can use forever to get advice without
> paying. It is a very simple hardware firewall, not a NAT.....but I remember there

is
> a place to put in Proxy settings if I am not going to use Cable's settings. But for
> now I think I will leave everything alone. But if you like I will run another Dr.
> Watson & post it, now that we have done all this work on the computer. Ginny
>
>
 
B

Brian A.

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site and
>entered
> the Proxy settings for Avast.


It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't believe
there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration, if
anything you may need to forward the port that Avast uses in order to allow it
through.
What is the exact make/model of the router?


--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
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Brian A.

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23A4gLN5wIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> CdLSRN wrote:
> | I did not set anything in Belkin.
>
> For Belkin, as Terhune has been saying, if it objects to avast!'s
> doings, you must tell it to allow. However, I use Kerio Personal
> Firewall & do not know Belkin at all. In Kerio, it is very easy to do!


Belkin is not a software firewall, it's a router and any changes are done in
the web based configuration.


--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
P

PCR

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

CdLSRN wrote:
| Have a party. Thanks to Gary (and everyone who contributed, of
| course), I NOW HAVE
| 3.4 GB of FREE SPACE without losing anything but duplicates. I can
| download my Pictures and movies without Quick Time! I have a software
| firewall and a virus scanner, and no crashes. I am a happy girl!

That is worthy of a celebration-- uh-huh! Glad to hear it! I guess
Terhune's work is done & a release has been signed.

| Ginny
|
|| Perhaps I should have gone to my
|> | site and entered the Proxy settings for Avast.
|
| PCR asked what site:
|
| Answer: My old but dependable Belkin Router has a site I have to go
| to in order to set it up. They also have a phone number I can use
| forever to get advice without paying. It is a very simple hardware
| firewall, not a NAT.....but I remember there is a place to put in
| Proxy settings if I am not going to use Cable's settings. But for now
| I think I will leave everything alone.

I see Brian A. knows what that is & has made a suggestion. Best stick
with him on all things Belkin. If you still want to set avast!'s proxy,
you must find & answer my questions about that.

| But if you like I will run
| another Dr. Watson & post it, now that we have done all this work on
| the computer. Ginny

I see you posted another one, & it looks exactly like the first. You
must look for my response to the first in this thread & respond to my
questions there-- that's the same rule Terhune finally set after you had
him jump through 5 threads & sections of threads!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
C

CdLSRN

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?

Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4

Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that Avast uses in order
to allow it through.

Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.

Ginny



"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site and
> >entered
> > the Proxy settings for Avast.

>
> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't believe
> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration, .
>>

> --
>
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
>
>
 
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CdLSRN

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

I'm not quite sure where you want me to respond but here I am. As far as Dr. Watson:
--------------------
<unknown> has altered Windows system files.
Module Name: <unknown>
--------------------
That entry has been in Dr. Watson, as I recall for years. Nothing new.

I ran registry checker and it said "No errors found".

Thank you for telling me how to do a system restore. My question is, why didn't
someone tell me that when I couldn't get online? Wouldn't that have solved my
problem? Ginny



"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:OUluF34wIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> As Jim has said, absolutely the 2 "KB" entries are fine. I tend to think
> the Adobe Type Manager entry can remain as well. But this one...
>
> --------------------
> <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
> Module Name: <unknown>
> --------------------
>
> ...needs to be investigated! It could be innocent, but anyway I wouldn't
> want one there myself. (I dimly recall once I did have it, but it isn't
> there now. Could be it came/went with some in/uninstall I did-- maybe
> NetZero's NET-search thing?) Anyway, I'm looking at Google for some
> ideas, but that is a difficult one to figure. In the meantime, maybe
> post your Startup Group...
>
> (a) "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Startup
> Programs".
> (b) Use the Edit menu to select all, copy, & then post it.
>
> But, STILL, it may be a good idea to finish up with Terhune before
> investigating this-- for my safety & yours! I think he's almost done
> arguing with MEB!
>
> CdLSRN wrote:
> | --------------------
> | Windows KB891711 component has altered Windows system files.
> |
> | Module Name: KB891711.EXE
> | Description: Windows KB891711 component
> | Version: 4.10.2223
> | Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
> | Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
> |
> | --------------------
> | Adobe Type Manager has altered Windows system files.
> |
> | Module Name: ATMSYS.DRV
> | Description: Adobe Type Manager
> | Version: R v4.00-32S058G06NN
> | Product: Adobe Type Manager
> | Manufacturer: Adobe Systems Incorporated
> |
> | --------------------
> | <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
> |
> | Module Name: <unknown>
> |
> | --------------------
> | Windows KB918547 EXE component has altered Windows system files.
> |
> | Module Name: KB918547.EXE
> | Description: Windows KB918547 EXE component
> | Version: 4.10.2224
> | Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
> | Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...
> |>
> |> "START button, Run, DRWATSON"
> |> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.
> |>
> |> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,
> |> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits
> |> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis
> |> tab.
> |>
> |> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".
> |> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)
> |> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".
> |> (c) R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".
> |> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"
> |> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".
> |>
> |> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.
> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481
> |> How to troubleshoot
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> CdLSRN wrote:
> |> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me
> |> | to do. Gin
> |>
> |> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in all
> |> threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than me! He
> |> isn't quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After that, as
> |> I posted elsewhere...
> |>
> |> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.
> |>
> |> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?
> |> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,
> |> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing
> |> you clicked before it happened?
> |> (c) Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?
> |>
> | program faults with DrWatson
> |>
> |>
> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> | news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> |> |> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy.
> |> |> | Didn't know that.
> |> |>
> |> |> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites only --
> |> |> the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" & possibly
> |> |> others -- there could be multiples involved when clicking a
> |> |> single URL. I can see 4 http:'s flash by in pop-ups when I click
> |> |> that avast! URL I posted earlier-- & the Scanned Count increased
> |> |> from 17 to 22!
> |> |>
> |> |> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even
> |> |> with Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for them.
> |> |>
> |> |> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.
> |> |>
> |> |> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar site,
> |> |> as I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different from first
> |> |> remembered)...
> |> |>
> |> |> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound an
> |> |> alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the download is
> |> |> allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or clicked
> |> |> to run or open for avast! to detect a virus.
> |> |>
> |> |> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected as
> |> |> soon as they are clicked at the site. The download box is not
> |> |> offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.
> |> |>
> |> |> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file
> |> |> will open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when
> |> |> clicked. For a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd &
> |> |> explicitly scanned! SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text
> |> |> file will get detected when clicked at the site-- usually! If it
> |> |> stops detecting that one, clear TIFs of all things Eicar. Sheesh.)
> |> |>
> |> |> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access Scan
> |> |> was set to Normal or to High.
> |> |>
> |> |> | It can just sit there and
> |> |> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't get
> |> |> | is that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall
> |> |> | installed on Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe
> |> |> | I've undone enough now that it WILL just sit there and do
> |> |> | nothing. I can't get her to test it, <g>.
> |> |>
> |> |> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to
> |> |> figure it, if I can.
> |> |>
> |> |> | --
> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
> |> |> |
> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> |> |> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> |> |> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable
> |> |> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that
> |> |> |> | explain how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later
> |> |> |> | versions.) Not sure WHICH one of these threads it's in, but
> |> |> |> | perhaps you could find those messages. Brian didn't
> |> |> |> | contribute TOO much to the threads, so it should be easy to
> |> |> |> | find them.
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new
> |> |> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in
> |> |> |> | my router (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to do
> |> |> |> | any of the things suggested in the articles cited by Brian,
> |> |> |> | and it is causing no problems. Never HAVE had to disable the
> |> |> |> | WebShield, that I can recall, and I've not only been using it
> |> |> |> | for at least a few years, but have installed it on numerous
> |> |> |> | machines with WebShield enabled (including several '9x
> |> |> |> | machines) and had no problems. Which just goes to show you
> |> |> |> | that it ain't all that simple.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...
> |> |> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s
> |> |> |> performance at...
> |> |> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
> |> |> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee
> |> |> |> was, which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses
> |> |> |> there when clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had
> |> |> |> to be opened after download before an alarm would sound-- not
> |> |> |> simply clicked for download. )
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> So...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.
> |> |> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each site
> |> |> |> you visit? Also...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> (c) Click the Customise button.
> |> |> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.
> |> |> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.
> |> |> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on
> |> |> |> Performed Action
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in
> |> |> |> pop-up windows at the bottom of your screen for each site you
> |> |> |> visit?
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier
> |> |> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically
> |> |> |> undone. That makes sense, since it was manually implemented in
> |> |> |> the first place on this Win98 machine-- but one must remember
> |> |> |> to undo it manually (I guess), in the event one wants to
> |> |> |> uninstall avast! for good. If not undone, I'm thinking the NET
> |> |> |> won't work!
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> | --
> |> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> |> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
> |>
> |> ...snip
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
 
B

Brian A.

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

If all is well with Avast then you do not need to reconfigure anything in the
routers configuration for Avast. However I read in one of your posts that it
wasn't NAT, if you have NAT disabled you need to enable it as that router has
NAT. Also, if you have not changed the default username/password for the web
based configuration, your asking any hacker to have at the router as they wish
at their will. Both NAT and un/pw should not be overlooked if you wish for
security.

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:48424910$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?
>
> Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4
>
> Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that Avast uses in
> order
> to allow it through.
>
> Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.
>
> Ginny
>
>
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site and
>> >entered
>> > the Proxy settings for Avast.

>>
>> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't believe
>> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration, .
>>>

>> --
>>
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
 
C

CdLSRN

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Well no wonder it has been such a good firewall. I asked the first person I talked to
from Belkin (when I was setting it up) from India I believe, if it was a NAT router.
He said he never heard of NAT. So I assumed it wasn't. My firewall with Belkin is set
up completely. Thanks for the advice. Ginny


"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:OovYQk7wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> If all is well with Avast then you do not need to reconfigure anything in the
> routers configuration for Avast. However I read in one of your posts that it
> wasn't NAT, if you have NAT disabled you need to enable it as that router has
> NAT. Also, if you have not changed the default username/password for the web
> based configuration, your asking any hacker to have at the router as they wish
> at their will. Both NAT and un/pw should not be overlooked if you wish for
> security.
>
> --
>
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:48424910$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> > Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?
> >
> > Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4
> >
> > Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that Avast uses in
> > order
> > to allow it through.
> >
> > Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.
> >
> > Ginny
> >
> >
> >
> > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> > news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site and
> >> >entered
> >> > the Proxy settings for Avast.
> >>
> >> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't believe
> >> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration, .
> >>>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >>
> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
 
C

CdLSRN

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

I just went to the Belkin SetUp Site. It is completely different than it used to
be!!! I changed my password. They now say they have a NAT firewall and have many
settings that were not there before. However, my firewall has been enabled all along.
Thank you for alerting me to these changes. Since this is a Nat ,4 port hardware
firewall, is there reason for me to buy a new router with the new XP computer I am
going to buy? This router only cost me around $50. The new fancy ones are much more
expensive. I will be wireless so I guess I need a wireless router? Ginny

"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:48425e6c$0$15161$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Well no wonder it has been such a good firewall. I asked the first person I talked

to
> from Belkin (when I was setting it up) from India I believe, if it was a NAT

router.
> He said he never heard of NAT. So I assumed it wasn't. My firewall with Belkin is

set
> up completely. Thanks for the advice. Ginny
>
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:OovYQk7wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > If all is well with Avast then you do not need to reconfigure anything in the
> > routers configuration for Avast. However I read in one of your posts that it
> > wasn't NAT, if you have NAT disabled you need to enable it as that router has
> > NAT. Also, if you have not changed the default username/password for the web
> > based configuration, your asking any hacker to have at the router as they wish
> > at their will. Both NAT and un/pw should not be overlooked if you wish for
> > security.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> > Conflicts start where information lacks.
> > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >
> > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >
> >
> > "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:48424910$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> > > Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?
> > >
> > > Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4
> > >
> > > Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that Avast uses in
> > > order
> > > to allow it through.
> > >
> > > Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Ginny
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> > > news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> > >> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site and
> > >> >entered
> > >> > the Proxy settings for Avast.
> > >>
> > >> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't believe
> > >> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration, .
> > >>>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> > >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> > >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> > >>
> > >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> > >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >

> >

>
>
 
B

Brian A.

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

If you plan to go wireless you'll need a wireless router, otherwise keep what
you have. Even if you go wireless you can still use the second router as a
switch behind the main router which then provides additional ports if you ever
need them. Keep in mind that a wireless router/network takes a bit more than a
wired one to secure, do your homework.

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:484263d5$0$15183$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>I just went to the Belkin SetUp Site. It is completely different than it used
>to
> be!!! I changed my password. They now say they have a NAT firewall and have
> many
> settings that were not there before. However, my firewall has been enabled all
> along.
> Thank you for alerting me to these changes. Since this is a Nat ,4 port
> hardware
> firewall, is there reason for me to buy a new router with the new XP computer
> I am
> going to buy? This router only cost me around $50. The new fancy ones are much
> more
> expensive. I will be wireless so I guess I need a wireless router? Ginny
>
> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:48425e6c$0$15161$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> Well no wonder it has been such a good firewall. I asked the first person I
>> talked

> to
>> from Belkin (when I was setting it up) from India I believe, if it was a NAT

> router.
>> He said he never heard of NAT. So I assumed it wasn't. My firewall with
>> Belkin is

> set
>> up completely. Thanks for the advice. Ginny
>>
>>
>> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>> news:OovYQk7wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > If all is well with Avast then you do not need to reconfigure anything in
>> > the
>> > routers configuration for Avast. However I read in one of your posts that
>> > it
>> > wasn't NAT, if you have NAT disabled you need to enable it as that router
>> > has
>> > NAT. Also, if you have not changed the default username/password for the
>> > web
>> > based configuration, your asking any hacker to have at the router as they
>> > wish
>> > at their will. Both NAT and un/pw should not be overlooked if you wish for
>> > security.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>> > Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> > http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >
>> > Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>> > How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >
>> >
>> > "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> > news:48424910$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> > > Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?
>> > >
>> > > Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4
>> > >
>> > > Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that Avast
>> > > uses in
>> > > order
>> > > to allow it through.
>> > >
>> > > Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.
>> > >
>> > > Ginny
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>> > > news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> > >> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> > >> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site
>> > >> >and
>> > >> >entered
>> > >> > the Proxy settings for Avast.
>> > >>
>> > >> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't
>> > >> believe
>> > >> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration, .
>> > >>>
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>> > >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> > >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> > >>
>> > >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>> > >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >

>>
>>

>
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

What system restore? There is no System Restore in Windows 98. Unless you
make full system backups using a third-party app, the closest you can get
with Win98 is to restore a Registry Backup. That would not have gotten you
back online. Your old firewall was what kept you offline.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:48424dcd$0$25055$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> I'm not quite sure where you want me to respond but here I am. As far as
> Dr. Watson:
> --------------------
> <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
> Module Name: <unknown>
> --------------------
> That entry has been in Dr. Watson, as I recall for years. Nothing new.
>
> I ran registry checker and it said "No errors found".
>
> Thank you for telling me how to do a system restore. My question is, why
> didn't
> someone tell me that when I couldn't get online? Wouldn't that have solved
> my
> problem? Ginny
>
>
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:OUluF34wIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> As Jim has said, absolutely the 2 "KB" entries are fine. I tend to think
>> the Adobe Type Manager entry can remain as well. But this one...
>>
>> --------------------
>> <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
>> Module Name: <unknown>
>> --------------------
>>
>> ...needs to be investigated! It could be innocent, but anyway I wouldn't
>> want one there myself. (I dimly recall once I did have it, but it isn't
>> there now. Could be it came/went with some in/uninstall I did-- maybe
>> NetZero's NET-search thing?) Anyway, I'm looking at Google for some
>> ideas, but that is a difficult one to figure. In the meantime, maybe
>> post your Startup Group...
>>
>> (a) "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Startup
>> Programs".
>> (b) Use the Edit menu to select all, copy, & then post it.
>>
>> But, STILL, it may be a good idea to finish up with Terhune before
>> investigating this-- for my safety & yours! I think he's almost done
>> arguing with MEB!
>>
>> CdLSRN wrote:
>> | --------------------
>> | Windows KB891711 component has altered Windows system files.
>> |
>> | Module Name: KB891711.EXE
>> | Description: Windows KB891711 component
>> | Version: 4.10.2223
>> | Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
>> | Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
>> |
>> | --------------------
>> | Adobe Type Manager has altered Windows system files.
>> |
>> | Module Name: ATMSYS.DRV
>> | Description: Adobe Type Manager
>> | Version: R v4.00-32S058G06NN
>> | Product: Adobe Type Manager
>> | Manufacturer: Adobe Systems Incorporated
>> |
>> | --------------------
>> | <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
>> |
>> | Module Name: <unknown>
>> |
>> | --------------------
>> | Windows KB918547 EXE component has altered Windows system files.
>> |
>> | Module Name: KB918547.EXE
>> | Description: Windows KB918547 EXE component
>> | Version: 4.10.2224
>> | Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
>> | Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...
>> |>
>> |> "START button, Run, DRWATSON"
>> |> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.
>> |>
>> |> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,
>> |> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits
>> |> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis
>> |> tab.
>> |>
>> |> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".
>> |> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)
>> |> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".
>> |> (c) R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".
>> |> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"
>> |> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".
>> |>
>> |> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.
>> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481
>> |> How to troubleshoot
>> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> | news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> |> CdLSRN wrote:
>> |> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me
>> |> | to do. Gin
>> |>
>> |> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in all
>> |> threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than me! He
>> |> isn't quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After that, as
>> |> I posted elsewhere...
>> |>
>> |> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.
>> |>
>> |> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?
>> |> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,
>> |> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing
>> |> you clicked before it happened?
>> |> (c) Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?
>> |>
>> | program faults with DrWatson
>> |>
>> |>
>> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> |> | news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> |> |> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy.
>> |> |> | Didn't know that.
>> |> |>
>> |> |> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites only --
>> |> |> the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" & possibly
>> |> |> others -- there could be multiples involved when clicking a
>> |> |> single URL. I can see 4 http:'s flash by in pop-ups when I click
>> |> |> that avast! URL I posted earlier-- & the Scanned Count increased
>> |> |> from 17 to 22!
>> |> |>
>> |> |> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even
>> |> |> with Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for them.
>> |> |>
>> |> |> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.
>> |> |>
>> |> |> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar site,
>> |> |> as I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different from first
>> |> |> remembered)...
>> |> |>
>> |> |> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound an
>> |> |> alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the download is
>> |> |> allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or clicked
>> |> |> to run or open for avast! to detect a virus.
>> |> |>
>> |> |> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected as
>> |> |> soon as they are clicked at the site. The download box is not
>> |> |> offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.
>> |> |>
>> |> |> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file
>> |> |> will open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when
>> |> |> clicked. For a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd &
>> |> |> explicitly scanned! SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text
>> |> |> file will get detected when clicked at the site-- usually! If it
>> |> |> stops detecting that one, clear TIFs of all things Eicar. Sheesh.)
>> |> |>
>> |> |> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access Scan
>> |> |> was set to Normal or to High.
>> |> |>
>> |> |> | It can just sit there and
>> |> |> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't get
>> |> |> | is that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall
>> |> |> | installed on Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe
>> |> |> | I've undone enough now that it WILL just sit there and do
>> |> |> | nothing. I can't get her to test it, <g>.
>> |> |>
>> |> |> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to
>> |> |> figure it, if I can.
>> |> |>
>> |> |> | --
>> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
>> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
>> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
>> |> |> |
>> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> |> |> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> |> |> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable
>> |> |> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that
>> |> |> |> | explain how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later
>> |> |> |> | versions.) Not sure WHICH one of these threads it's in, but
>> |> |> |> | perhaps you could find those messages. Brian didn't
>> |> |> |> | contribute TOO much to the threads, so it should be easy to
>> |> |> |> | find them.
>> |> |> |> |
>> |> |> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new
>> |> |> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in
>> |> |> |> | my router (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to do
>> |> |> |> | any of the things suggested in the articles cited by Brian,
>> |> |> |> | and it is causing no problems. Never HAVE had to disable the
>> |> |> |> | WebShield, that I can recall, and I've not only been using it
>> |> |> |> | for at least a few years, but have installed it on numerous
>> |> |> |> | machines with WebShield enabled (including several '9x
>> |> |> |> | machines) and had no problems. Which just goes to show you
>> |> |> |> | that it ain't all that simple.
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...
>> |> |> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s
>> |> |> |> performance at...
>> |> |> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
>> |> |> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee
>> |> |> |> was, which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses
>> |> |> |> there when clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had
>> |> |> |> to be opened after download before an alarm would sound-- not
>> |> |> |> simply clicked for download. )
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> So...
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.
>> |> |> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each site
>> |> |> |> you visit? Also...
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> (c) Click the Customise button.
>> |> |> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.
>> |> |> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.
>> |> |> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on
>> |> |> |> Performed Action
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in
>> |> |> |> pop-up windows at the bottom of your screen for each site you
>> |> |> |> visit?
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier
>> |> |> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically
>> |> |> |> undone. That makes sense, since it was manually implemented in
>> |> |> |> the first place on this Win98 machine-- but one must remember
>> |> |> |> to undo it manually (I guess), in the event one wants to
>> |> |> |> uninstall avast! for good. If not undone, I'm thinking the NET
>> |> |> |> won't work!
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |>
>> |> |> |> | --
>> |> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
>> |> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
>> |> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
>> |>
>> |> ...snip
>> |> --
>> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> |> Should things get worse after this,
>> |> PCR
>> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>
>> --
>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> Should things get worse after this,
>> PCR
>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>
>>

>
>
>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

"Avast is running smoothly..." Is that WITH the WebShield turned on or
without?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:48424910$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?
>
> Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4
>
> Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that Avast
> uses in order
> to allow it through.
>
> Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.
>
> Ginny
>
>
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site
>> >and
>> >entered
>> > the Proxy settings for Avast.

>>
>> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't
>> believe
>> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration, .
>>>

>> --
>>
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
 
C

CdLSRN

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Without Web Shield. I had a hard time opening it last night to run a scan. "An
attempt was made to load, ...." when I close that out. the splash screen is frozen
there and I have to do a ctl alt dlt to 'end task' , then the scanner is ther with a
simple interface. I can not close it with the x. Again I have to run a ctl-alt-dlt.
to end task. So I guess it is not running as smoothly as I thought.


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23DXhKqAxIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Avast is running smoothly..." Is that WITH the WebShield turned on or
> without?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:48424910$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> > Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?
> >
> > Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4
> >
> > Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that Avast
> > uses in order
> > to allow it through.
> >
> > Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.
> >
> > Ginny
> >
> >
> >
> > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> > news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my site
> >> >and
> >> >entered
> >> > the Proxy settings for Avast.
> >>
> >> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't
> >> believe
> >> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration, .
> >>>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >>
> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

I think it needs reinstalling (Avast!)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4842fe24$0$15204$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Without Web Shield. I had a hard time opening it last night to run a
> scan. "An
> attempt was made to load, ...." when I close that out. the splash screen
> is frozen
> there and I have to do a ctl alt dlt to 'end task' , then the scanner is
> ther with a
> simple interface. I can not close it with the x. Again I have to run a
> ctl-alt-dlt.
> to end task. So I guess it is not running as smoothly as I thought.
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%23DXhKqAxIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "Avast is running smoothly..." Is that WITH the WebShield turned on or
>> without?
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:48424910$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> > Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?
>> >
>> > Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4
>> >
>> > Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that Avast
>> > uses in order
>> > to allow it through.
>> >
>> > Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.
>> >
>> > Ginny
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>> > news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> >> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to my
>> >> >site
>> >> >and
>> >> >entered
>> >> > the Proxy settings for Avast.
>> >>
>> >> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I don't
>> >> believe
>> >> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers configuration,
>> >> .
>> >>>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>> >>
>> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>

>
>
 
P

PCR

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

CdLSRN wrote:
| I'm not quite sure where you want me to respond but here I am. As far
| as Dr. Watson:
| --------------------
| <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
| Module Name: <unknown>
| --------------------
| That entry has been in Dr. Watson, as I recall for years. Nothing new.
|
| I ran registry checker and it said "No errors found".
|
| Thank you for telling me how to do a system restore. My question is,
| why didn't someone tell me that when I couldn't get online? Wouldn't
| that have solved my problem? Ginny

I don't recall suggesting a system restore or even a registry restore to
you for this specific problem. It could come in handy in the future. You
should get something that does a full system backup. Nothing very useful
for that comes with Win98. I use...

http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.

...., but there are alternatives that others use & like.

As far as that <unknown> in your DrWatson report (yep, this was where to
respond for that), I wouldn't want to have it, but frankly I did live
with one for a while I think. It may go away on its own some day when
you uninstall some package or program. As long as it is not mentioned in
a crash report, probably you can live with it. Keep DrWatson in the Tray
for that report on your next crash.

One way to research it is to boot to Safe Mode (the Startup Group won't
start in Safe Mode) or to use "START, Run, MSConfig" to turn off the
Startup Group & boot to Normal Mode. If it drops out of that DrWatson
Diagnosis window, then it is something in the Startup Group doing it.
Then, you turn half of them back on, reboot, & see whether it's
returned-- & so on. But it may not really be worth all this trouble,
since you've had it forever without incident. OK-- glad all else seems
to be just fine. Maybe post your Starup Group, as I suggested somewhere
in this thread, for a quick examination.

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:OUluF34wIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> As Jim has said, absolutely the 2 "KB" entries are fine. I tend to
|> think the Adobe Type Manager entry can remain as well. But this
|> one...
|>
|> --------------------
|> <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
|> Module Name: <unknown>
|> --------------------
|>
|> ...needs to be investigated! It could be innocent, but anyway I
|> wouldn't want one there myself. (I dimly recall once I did have it,
|> but it isn't there now. Could be it came/went with some in/uninstall
|> I did-- maybe NetZero's NET-search thing?) Anyway, I'm looking at
|> Google for some ideas, but that is a difficult one to figure. In the
|> meantime, maybe post your Startup Group...
|>
|> (a) "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Startup
|> Programs".
|> (b) Use the Edit menu to select all, copy, & then post it.
|>
|> But, STILL, it may be a good idea to finish up with Terhune before
|> investigating this-- for my safety & yours! I think he's almost done
|> arguing with MEB!
|>
|> CdLSRN wrote:
|> | --------------------
|> | Windows KB891711 component has altered Windows system files.
|> |
|> | Module Name: KB891711.EXE
|> | Description: Windows KB891711 component
|> | Version: 4.10.2223
|> | Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
|> | Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
|> |
|> | --------------------
|> | Adobe Type Manager has altered Windows system files.
|> |
|> | Module Name: ATMSYS.DRV
|> | Description: Adobe Type Manager
|> | Version: R v4.00-32S058G06NN
|> | Product: Adobe Type Manager
|> | Manufacturer: Adobe Systems Incorporated
|> |
|> | --------------------
|> | <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
|> |
|> | Module Name: <unknown>
|> |
|> | --------------------
|> | Windows KB918547 EXE component has altered Windows system files.
|> |
|> | Module Name: KB918547.EXE
|> | Description: Windows KB918547 EXE component
|> | Version: 4.10.2224
|> | Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
|> | Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |
|> |> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...
|> |>
|> |> "START button, Run, DRWATSON"
|> |> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.
|> |>
|> |> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,
|> |> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits
|> |> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the
|> |> Diagnosis tab.
|> |>
|> |> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".
|> |> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)
|> |> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create
|> |> shortcut)". (c) R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".
|> |> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"
|> |> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".
|> |>
|> |> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a
|> |> D-Clk. http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481
|> |> How to troubleshoot
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> CdLSRN wrote:
|> |> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want
|> |> | me to do. Gin
|> |>
|> |> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in
|> |> all threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than
|> |> me! He isn't quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After
|> |> that, as I posted elsewhere...
|> |>
|> |> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.
|> |>
|> |> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?
|> |> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,
|> |> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing
|> |> you clicked before it happened?
|> |> (c) Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?
|> |>
|> | program faults with DrWatson
|> |>
|> |>
|> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> |> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy.
|> |> |> | Didn't know that.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites
|> |> |> only -- the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" &
|> |> |> possibly others -- there could be multiples involved when
|> |> |> clicking a single URL. I can see 4 http:'s flash by in pop-ups
|> |> |> when I click that avast! URL I posted earlier-- & the Scanned
|> |> |> Count increased from 17 to 22!
|> |> |>
|> |> |> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even
|> |> |> with Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for
|> |> |> them.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar
|> |> |> site, as I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different
|> |> |> from first remembered)...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound
|> |> |> an alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the download
|> |> |> is allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or
|> |> |> clicked to run or open for avast! to detect a virus.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected
|> |> |> as soon as they are clicked at the site. The download box is
|> |> |> not offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file
|> |> |> will open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when
|> |> |> clicked. For a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd &
|> |> |> explicitly scanned! SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text
|> |> |> file will get detected when clicked at the site-- usually! If
|> |> |> it stops detecting that one, clear TIFs of all things Eicar.
|> |> |> Sheesh.)
|> |> |>
|> |> |> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access
|> |> |> Scan was set to Normal or to High.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | It can just sit there and
|> |> |> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't
|> |> |> | get is that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall
|> |> |> | installed on Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe
|> |> |> | I've undone enough now that it WILL just sit there and do
|> |> |> | nothing. I can't get her to test it, <g>.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to
|> |> |> figure it, if I can.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | --
|> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> |> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> |> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable
|> |> |> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that
|> |> |> |> | explain how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later
|> |> |> |> | versions.) Not sure WHICH one of these threads it's in,
|> |> |> |> | but perhaps you could find those messages. Brian didn't
|> |> |> |> | contribute TOO much to the threads, so it should be easy
|> |> |> |> | to find them.
|> |> |> |> |
|> |> |> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new
|> |> |> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall
|> |> |> |> | settings in my router (don't have any other firewall),
|> |> |> |> | didn't have to do any of the things suggested in the
|> |> |> |> | articles cited by Brian, and it is causing no problems.
|> |> |> |> | Never HAVE had to disable the WebShield, that I can
|> |> |> |> | recall, and I've not only been using it for at least a
|> |> |> |> | few years, but have installed it on numerous machines
|> |> |> |> | with WebShield enabled (including several '9x machines)
|> |> |> |> | and had no problems. Which just goes to show you that it
|> |> |> |> | ain't all that simple.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...
|> |> |> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s
|> |> |> |> performance at...
|> |> |> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
|> |> |> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee
|> |> |> |> was, which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses
|> |> |> |> there when clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had
|> |> |> |> to be opened after download before an alarm would sound--
|> |> |> |> not simply clicked for download. )
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> So...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.
|> |> |> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each
|> |> |> |> site you visit? Also...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> (c) Click the Customise button.
|> |> |> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.
|> |> |> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.
|> |> |> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on
|> |> |> |> Performed Action
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in
|> |> |> |> pop-up windows at the bottom of your screen for each site
|> |> |> |> you visit?
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier
|> |> |> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically
|> |> |> |> undone. That makes sense, since it was manually implemented
|> |> |> |> in the first place on this Win98 machine-- but one must
|> |> |> |> remember to undo it manually (I guess), in the event one
|> |> |> |> wants to uninstall avast! for good. If not undone, I'm
|> |> |> |> thinking the NET won't work!
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> | --
|> |> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
|> |>
|> |> ...snip
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
P

PCR

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| What system restore? There is no System Restore in Windows 98. Unless
| you make full system backups using a third-party app, the closest you
| can get with Win98 is to restore a Registry Backup. That would not
| have gotten you back online. Your old firewall was what kept you
| offline.

I don't recall mentioning such a thing in thread or any of the others!
Maybe MEB said it!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| news:48424dcd$0$25055$607ed4bc@cv.net...
|> I'm not quite sure where you want me to respond but here I am. As
|> far as Dr. Watson:
|> --------------------
|> <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
|> Module Name: <unknown>
|> --------------------
|> That entry has been in Dr. Watson, as I recall for years. Nothing
|> new.
|>
|> I ran registry checker and it said "No errors found".
|>
|> Thank you for telling me how to do a system restore. My question
|> is, why didn't
|> someone tell me that when I couldn't get online? Wouldn't that have
|> solved my
|> problem? Ginny
|>
|>
|>
|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> news:OUluF34wIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|>> As Jim has said, absolutely the 2 "KB" entries are fine. I tend to
|>> think the Adobe Type Manager entry can remain as well. But this
|>> one...
|>>
|>> --------------------
|>> <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
|>> Module Name: <unknown>
|>> --------------------
|>>
|>> ...needs to be investigated! It could be innocent, but anyway I
|>> wouldn't want one there myself. (I dimly recall once I did have it,
|>> but it isn't there now. Could be it came/went with some
|>> in/uninstall I did-- maybe NetZero's NET-search thing?) Anyway, I'm
|>> looking at Google for some ideas, but that is a difficult one to
|>> figure. In the meantime, maybe post your Startup Group...
|>>
|>> (a) "START button, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Startup
|>> Programs".
|>> (b) Use the Edit menu to select all, copy, & then post it.
|>>
|>> But, STILL, it may be a good idea to finish up with Terhune before
|>> investigating this-- for my safety & yours! I think he's almost done
|>> arguing with MEB!
|>>
|>> CdLSRN wrote:
|>> | --------------------
|>> | Windows KB891711 component has altered Windows system files.
|>> |
|>> | Module Name: KB891711.EXE
|>> | Description: Windows KB891711 component
|>> | Version: 4.10.2223
|>> | Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
|>> | Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
|>> |
|>> | --------------------
|>> | Adobe Type Manager has altered Windows system files.
|>> |
|>> | Module Name: ATMSYS.DRV
|>> | Description: Adobe Type Manager
|>> | Version: R v4.00-32S058G06NN
|>> | Product: Adobe Type Manager
|>> | Manufacturer: Adobe Systems Incorporated
|>> |
|>> | --------------------
|>> | <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
|>> |
|>> | Module Name: <unknown>
|>> |
|>> | --------------------
|>> | Windows KB918547 EXE component has altered Windows system files.
|>> |
|>> | Module Name: KB918547.EXE
|>> | Description: Windows KB918547 EXE component
|>> | Version: 4.10.2224
|>> | Product: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Operating System
|>> | Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
|>> |
|>> |
|>> |
|>> |
|>> |> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...
|>> |>
|>> |> "START button, Run, DRWATSON"
|>> |> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.
|>> |>
|>> |> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,
|>> |> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits
|>> |> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the
|>> |> Diagnosis tab.
|>> |>
|>> |> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".
|>> |> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)
|>> |> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create
|>> |> shortcut)". (c) R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select
|>> |> "Cut". (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start
|>> |> Menu\Programs\StartUp" (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".
|>> |>
|>> |> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a
|>> |> D-Clk. http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481
|>> |> How to troubleshoot
|>> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|>> | news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|>> |> CdLSRN wrote:
|>> |> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want
|>> |> | me to do. Gin
|>> |>
|>> |> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in
|>> |> all threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than
|>> |> me! He isn't quite as mellow as he had once become anymore!
|>> |> After that, as I posted elsewhere...
|>> |>
|>> |> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.
|>> |>
|>> |> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?
|>> |> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,
|>> |> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing
|>> |> you clicked before it happened?
|>> |> (c) Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s
|>> |> proxy?
|>> |>
|>> | program faults with DrWatson
|>> |>
|>> |>
|>> |> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|>> |> | news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|>> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|>> |> |> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy.
|>> |> |> | Didn't know that.
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites
|>> |> |> only -- the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" &
|>> |> |> possibly others -- there could be multiples involved when
|>> |> |> clicking a single URL. I can see 4 http:'s flash by in
|>> |> |> pop-ups when I click that avast! URL I posted earlier-- & the
|>> |> |> Scanned Count increased from 17 to 22!
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered,
|>> |> |> even with Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased
|>> |> |> for them.
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar
|>> |> |> site, as I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different
|>> |> |> from first remembered)...
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar
|>> |> |> sound an alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the
|>> |> |> download is allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd &
|>> |> |> scanned or clicked to run or open for avast! to detect a
|>> |> |> virus.
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get
|>> |> |> detected as soon as they are clicked at the site. The
|>> |> |> download box is not offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as
|>> |> |> with WS paused.
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt
|>> |> |> file will open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will
|>> |> |> open when clicked. For a virus to be detected-- it must be
|>> |> |> R-Clkd & explicitly scanned! SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The
|>> |> |> HTTP text file will get detected when clicked at the site--
|>> |> |> usually! If it stops detecting that one, clear TIFs of all
|>> |> |> things Eicar. Sheesh.)
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access
|>> |> |> Scan was set to Normal or to High.
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> | It can just sit there and
|>> |> |> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't
|>> |> |> | get is that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall
|>> |> |> | installed on Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe
|>> |> |> | I've undone enough now that it WILL just sit there and do
|>> |> |> | nothing. I can't get her to test it, <g>.
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to
|>> |> |> figure it, if I can.
|>> |> |>
|>> |> |> | --
|>> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|>> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|>> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
|>> |> |> |
|>> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|>> |> |> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|>> |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|>> |> |> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to
|>> |> |> |> | enable WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support
|>> |> |> |> | pages that explain how to do it in Windows 98 (different
|>> |> |> |> | from later versions.) Not sure WHICH one of these
|>> |> |> |> | threads it's in, but perhaps you could find those
|>> |> |> |> | messages. Brian didn't contribute TOO much to the
|>> |> |> |> | threads, so it should be easy to find them.
|>> |> |> |> |
|>> |> |> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new
|>> |> |> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall
|>> |> |> |> | settings in my router (don't have any other firewall),
|>> |> |> |> | didn't have to do any of the things suggested in the
|>> |> |> |> | articles cited by Brian, and it is causing no problems.
|>> |> |> |> | Never HAVE had to disable the WebShield, that I can
|>> |> |> |> | recall, and I've not only been using it for at least a
|>> |> |> |> | few years, but have installed it on numerous machines
|>> |> |> |> | with WebShield enabled (including several '9x machines)
|>> |> |> |> | and had no problems. Which just goes to show you that it
|>> |> |> |> | ain't all that simple.
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...
|>> |> |> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s
|>> |> |> |> performance at...
|>> |> |> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
|>> |> |> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as
|>> |> |> |> McAfee was, which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus
|>> |> |> |> viruses there when clicked. With avast!, some of the
|>> |> |> |> double-zips had to be opened after download before an
|>> |> |> |> alarm would sound-- not simply clicked for download. )
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> So...
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.
|>> |> |> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each
|>> |> |> |> site you visit? Also...
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> (c) Click the Customise button.
|>> |> |> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.
|>> |> |> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.
|>> |> |> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on
|>> |> |> |> Performed Action
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in
|>> |> |> |> pop-up windows at the bottom of your screen for each site
|>> |> |> |> you visit?
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier
|>> |> |> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically
|>> |> |> |> undone. That makes sense, since it was manually
|>> |> |> |> implemented in the first place on this Win98 machine-- but
|>> |> |> |> one must remember to undo it manually (I guess), in the
|>> |> |> |> event one wants to uninstall avast! for good. If not
|>> |> |> |> undone, I'm thinking the NET won't work!
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |>
|>> |> |> |> | --
|>> |> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|>> |> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|>> |> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
|>> |>
|>> |> ...snip
|>> |> --
|>> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|>> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|>> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|>> |> Should things get worse after this,
|>> |> PCR
|>> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>>
|>> --
|>> Thanks or Good Luck,
|>> There may be humor in this post, and,
|>> Naturally, you will not sue,
|>> Should things get worse after this,
|>> PCR
|>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
C

CdLSRN

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

My Startup group:

Microsoft Office Startup Group "C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office\OSA9.EXE" -b -l
run Win.ini hpfsched
SSBkgdUpdate Registry (Machine Run) "c:\Program Files\Common Files\Scansoft
Shared\SSBkgdUpdate\SSBkgdupdate.exe" -Embedding -boot
OpwareSE4 Registry (Machine Run) "c:\Program
Files\ScanSoft\OmniPageSE4.0\OpwareSE4.exe"
ashMaiSv Registry (Machine Run) C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\AVAST4\ashmaisv.exe
POINTER Registry (Machine Run) point32.exe
Change Lines Registry (Machine Run) C:\chngline.exe
LoadPowerProfile Registry (Machine Run) Rundll32.exe
powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
ScanRegistry Registry (Machine Run) c:\windows\scanregw.exe /autorun
SystemTray Registry (Machine Run) SysTray.Exe
StillImageMonitor Registry (Machine Run) C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\STIMON.EXE
SmcService Registry (Machine Run) C:\PROGRA~1\SYGATE\SPF\SMC.EXE -startgui
mdac_runonce Registry (Machine Run) C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\runonce.exe
avast! Registry (Machine Service) C:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
HP Port Resolver Registry (Machine Service) $SYSTEM\hpbpro.exe
HP Status Server Registry (Machine Service) $SYSTEM\hpboid.exe
winmodem Registry (Machine Service) WINMODEM.101\wmexe.exe
KB918547 Registry (Machine Service) C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KB918547\KB918547.EXE
KB891711 Registry (Machine Service) c:\windows\SYSTEM\KB891711\KB891711.EXE
PPRT Registry (Machine Service) C:\Program
Files\CA\SharedComponents\PPRT\bin\ITMRTSVC_Launcher.exe
LoadPowerProfile Registry (Machine Service) Rundll32.exe
powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
SmcService Registry (Machine Service) C:\PROGRAM FILES\SYGATE\SPF\SMC.EXE


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:Oxn$3kCxIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> CdLSRN wrote:
> | I'm not quite sure where you want me to respond but here I am. As far
> | as Dr. Watson:
> | --------------------
> | <unknown> has altered Windows system files.
> | Module Name: <unknown>
> | --------------------
> | That entry has been in Dr. Watson, as I recall for years. Nothing new.
> |
> | I ran registry checker and it said "No errors found".
> |
> | Thank you for telling me how to do a system restore. My question is,
> | why didn't someone tell me that when I couldn't get online? Wouldn't
> | that have solved my problem? Ginny
>
> I don't recall suggesting a system restore or even a registry restore to
> you for this specific problem. It could come in handy in the future. You
> should get something that does a full system backup. Nothing very useful
> for that comes with Win98. I use...
>
> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
> HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
> data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
>
> ..., but there are alternatives that others use & like.
>
> As far as that <unknown> in your DrWatson report (yep, this was where to
> respond for that), I wouldn't want to have it, but frankly I did live
> with one for a while I think. It may go away on its own some day when
> you uninstall some package or program. As long as it is not mentioned in
> a crash report, probably you can live with it. Keep DrWatson in the Tray
> for that report on your next crash.
>
> One way to research it is to boot to Safe Mode (the Startup Group won't
> start in Safe Mode) or to use "START, Run, MSConfig" to turn off the
> Startup Group & boot to Normal Mode. If it drops out of that DrWatson
> Diagnosis window, then it is something in the Startup Group doing it.
> Then, you turn half of them back on, reboot, & see whether it's
> returned-- & so on. But it may not really be worth all this trouble,
> since you've had it forever without incident. OK-- glad all else seems
> to be just fine. Maybe post your Starup Group, as I suggested somewhere
> in this thread, for a quick examination.
>
 
P

PCR

Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus

I see where you posted your Startup Group. It will take some study for
me to decipher. In the meantime-- absolutely clicking avast! should not
do the things you say. You must go to Add/Remove Programs & uninstall
it...

(a) "START button, Find, F/F, SetupEng"

That is the avast! raw download. How many do you have?
Delete all but the latest, going by Modification date.

(b) "START, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs"
(c) Double-Click avast! Anti-virus in the list.
Avast! Antivirus Setup will open.
(d) Click the Update Components icon.
Is the version showing... 4.8.1201?
(e) Click the Uninstall button, & do the uninstall.

(f) If the version was less than mine, delete your remaining
SetupEng.exe to avoid confusing & save disk space--
& go download the new one...
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

(g) Click your latest SetupEng.exe to do the install.

Now, can you click around in avast! & not crash? If so, we may proceed
with the settings. Let's try the proxy again...
http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869
Since you have a LAN, do the one that involves the LAN only.

.......Quote instructions when LAN is involved...................
Proxy server settings for Internet Explorer when using broadband and/or
local area network (LAN) Internet connection

1. Start Internet Explorer.
2. Select Tools ® Internet Options... from the main menu.
3. Switch to page Connections.
4. Click on the LAN Settings... button.
5. Check the option Use a proxy server for your LAN
6. Write localhost into the Address field (alternatively, you can
enter IP address 127.0.0.1, which is the same as localhost).
7. Enter 12080 into the Port field.
8. Confirm with OK button.
........EOQ instructions when LAN is involved......................


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4842fe24$0$15204$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| Without Web Shield. I had a hard time opening it last night to run a
scan. "An
| attempt was made to load, ...." when I close that out. the splash
screen is frozen
| there and I have to do a ctl alt dlt to 'end task' , then the scanner
is ther with a
| simple interface. I can not close it with the x. Again I have to run a
ctl-alt-dlt.
| to end task. So I guess it is not running as smoothly as I thought.
|
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:%23DXhKqAxIHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > "Avast is running smoothly..." Is that WITH the WebShield turned on
or
| > without?
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > www.grystmill.com
| >
| > "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > news:48424910$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > > Brian asked: What is the exact make/model of the router?
| > >
| > > Answer: BELKIN Model # F5D5230-4
| > >
| > > Brian A said :if anything you may need to forward the port that
Avast
| > > uses in order
| > > to allow it through.
| > >
| > > Reply: Avast is having no problems. Running smoothly. Thanks.
| > >
| > > Ginny
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > > news:uahHmV6wIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > >> news:4840bb81$0$25061$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > >> >I did not set anything in Belkin. Perhaps I should have gone to
my site
| > >> >and
| > >> >entered
| > >> > the Proxy settings for Avast.
| > >>
| > >> It's not a site, it's the routers web based configuration. I
don't
| > >> believe
| > >> there is any proxy setting needed at all in the routers
configuration, .
| > >>>
| > >> --
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
| > >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
| > >>
| > >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
| > >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| > >
| > >
| >
|
|
 
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