PCWorld: Macs run Vista faster than PCs

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Kurt Herman wrote:
> Really! I have quite a few friends who are Mac heads, and I get along
> fine with them even though I'm a "softie".
>
> The funny thing is a few of those Mac heads are quite happy with Vista
> running on there machines. (Boot Camp) ect...
>
> They, of course wouldn't touch XP, but they like Vista. (And they come
> to me for advice on how to run it.)
>
> So if MS can get a good chunk of Mac users to buy Vista as their 2nd,
> Win compatible OS, they are making out like bandits.
>
> Kurt

More evidence that MS copied OSX features in Vista.

>
> "Tommy Troll" <tom_elam@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:7bd55c2b-27ea-4a7f-b4b7-dc100894b72e@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...>
>> Microsoft probably gets 2-3x te revenue off the sale of Windows to a
>> Mac user than to an OEM. So this is bad for Microsoft how?
>


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[Ben Miller-Jacobson]

flatfish wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:32:14 -0500, Ben Miller-Jacobson
> <bmillerjacobson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> You admit to trolling and nymshifting every now and then (remember when
>> you bragged about your trolling skill and linked to that Vermont Stump
>> Product asshatery?). There is rarely proof, but often very strong evidence.
>
> But I thought you were new here in COLA?

I've been on COLA long enough to figure you out. Also, the bragging I
referred to occurred after I came up with the file for the fortune
program to display your nyms. Google it it happened.


> You're not very good at trolling are you?
> Find another hobby.

If I was trying to troll, I would take your advice. You seam like the
expert in that field.

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[Ben Miller-Jacobson]

Re: PCWorld: Linux runs faster than Macs

Chris wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:11:25 GMT, 7
> <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>
>> Appil corporation asstroturfer O x f o r d wrote on behalf of Appil
>> Corporation:
>>
>>> A
>> Its true Linux runs faster than Appil macs.
>>
>> Its cheaper too.
>>
>> Go get a decent PC and install some free Linux.
>>
>> More eye candy than anything appil payees (retardees) are used to.
>>
>> Search http://www.youtube.com for compiz and beryl and see what I mean!
>>
>> And you know what its all free with source code!
>>
>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>> http://www.distrowatch.com
>
> Those previews are truly amazing! What kind of hardware are they
> running on? Can this be achieved with run of the mill hardware or is
> this a quad core machine with the highest end video card?
I've been able to get Compiz Fusion to run nicely on an old dell with a
2.4 ghz P4 and a mid range video card circa 5 to 6 years ago

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[chrisv]

Ben Miller-Jacobson wrote:

>flatshit wrote:
>>
>> But I thought you were new here in COLA?
>
>I've been on COLA long enough to figure you out.

Not difficult, is it? Like it not being difficult to identify
kangaroo crap, upon traveling to Australia for the first time.

 

[Hadron]

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:

> Ben Miller-Jacobson wrote:
>
>>flatshit wrote:
>>>
>>> But I thought you were new here in COLA?
>>
>>I've been on COLA long enough to figure you out.
>
> Not difficult, is it? Like it not being difficult to identify
> kangaroo crap, upon traveling to Australia for the first time.
>

Another wonderful advocacy post from chrisv.

 

[keg730@gmail.com]

On Dec 4, 12:46 pm, O x f o r d <iph...@superphone.com> wrote:
> Another honestly funny Apple Ad which continues to show the downfall of
> the WinTel industry... just posted, so have a great laugh at the facts:
>
> http://snipurl.com/1ums3
>
> or here:
>
> http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple_getamac_misprin...
> 0x360.mov
>
> Read PCWorld's article here:
>
> PCWORLD has named Apple's MacBook Pro as the fastest Vista notebook in
> the world.
>
> http://snipurl.com/1umsn
>
> or
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3-c,notebooks/article.html
>
> -
>
> You can buy them here:
>
> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
>
> Best deals here:
>
> http://www.pcprices.net/
>
> ---


Did anyone actually read the PC World article details? "2.4-GHz Core
2 Duo T7700 processor, the maximum 4GB of RAM... $2949" If I spend $3K
on a system, it better be fast. I'm going to compare specs on these
systems to see if it was a true apples-to-apples test (no pun
intended).

The bottom line is - who cares? It's just hardware. I'm sure we'll see
a Dell/HP/Acer/etc in the next month that is faster. I've see a Dell
set to dual boot Vista and Mac OS, and both ran fine. Now that they
are all Intel based, you can do whatever you want.

 

[keg730@gmail.com]

On Dec 6, 8:46 am, keg...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 4, 12:46 pm, O x f o r d <iph...@superphone.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Another honestly funny Apple Ad which continues to show the downfall of
> > the WinTel industry... just posted, so have a great laugh at the facts:
>
> >http://snipurl.com/1ums3
>
> > or here:
>
> >http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple_getamac_misprin...
> > 0x360.mov
>
> > Read PCWorld's article here:
>
> > PCWORLD has named Apple's MacBook Pro as the fastest Vista notebook in
> > the world.
>
> >http://snipurl.com/1umsn
>
> > or
>
> >http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3-c,notebooks/article.html
>
> > -
>
> > You can buy them here:
>
> >http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
>
> > Best deals here:
>
> >http://www.pcprices.net/
>
> > ---
>
> Did anyone actually read the PC World article details? "2.4-GHz Core
> 2 Duo T7700 processor, the maximum 4GB of RAM... $2949" If I spend $3K
> on a system, it better be fast. I'm going to compare specs on these
> systems to see if it was a true apples-to-apples test (no pun
> intended).
>
> The bottom line is - who cares? It's just hardware. I'm sure we'll see
> a Dell/HP/Acer/etc in the next month that is faster. I've see a Dell
> set to dual boot Vista and Mac OS, and both ran fine. Now that they
> are all Intel based, you can do whatever you want.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


As I suspected - the Mac and HP Pavilion HDX had faster processors and
4 GB or RAM, where the others only had 2 GB and lesser procs. Well
DUH! Of course the system with the faster proc and more RAM will be
faster. If you dropped 4GB and a 2.4-GHz Core 2 Duo T7700 in the Dell
or Acer, it'd be right up there with the Mac and HDX. Not a fair
comparison.

Let's also not forget that in most cases, the Mac was $500-1000 MORE
than the competing systems. Is that really worth the price tag? That
depends on the usage model. Most home computer users do one or more of
the following:
-Email
-Web surfing
-Word processing
-Downloading music/etc.
-Porn

Do I really need a $3000 machine to do those? Or will a sub-$1000
notebook work just fine for those activities? Sure, if I'm a hard-core
gamer or graphic designer, I want performance, but Grandma doesn't
care - she just wants to look at pictures of her grandkids. And there
are more Grandmas/casual users out there by far...

 

[forty-nine]

Re: PCWorld: Linux runs faster than Macs

"7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
news:jjF5j.58385$c_1.18233@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Chris wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:11:25 GMT, 7
>> <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Appil corporation asstroturfer O x f o r d wrote on behalf of Appil
>>>Corporation:
>>>
>>>> A
>>>
>>>Its true Linux runs faster than Appil macs.
>>>
>>>Its cheaper too.
>>>
>>>Go get a decent PC and install some free Linux.
>>>
>>>More eye candy than anything appil payees (retardees) are used to.
>>>
>>>Search http://www.youtube.com for compiz and beryl and see what I mean!
>>>
>>>And you know what its all free with source code!
>>>
>>>http://www.livecdlist.com
>>>http://www.distrowatch.com
>>
>> Those previews are truly amazing! What kind of hardware are they
>> running on? Can this be achieved with run of the mill hardware or is
>> this a quad core machine with the highest end video card?
>
>
> www.tesco.com the 189 pound eSys machines are great for this.
> I would recommend Ubuntu Linux.
> For top notch video performance, add a 50 quid NVidia 512Mb RAM
> PCI Express card to offload some of that video processing.
> Suddenly you can play 10 videos at once and still listen to MP3
> all on the same PC with say 16 virtual screens all semi-translucent.
> Blah blah blah...
> See the videos for yourself http://www.youtube.com search for compiz and
> beryl.
>
> You'll have to hurry. Linux PCs are hot cakes and
> sold out nearly everywhere.
> A million new Linux users per month and the rate is increasing.
>
>

Minus One !

 

[Mitch]

In article <taebl3taq7648vfilb601cf3qsi8i8l80a@4ax.com>, chrisv
<chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> >>Stupid nym-shifting troll.
> >
> >So, advocating Apple hardware in a Mac advocacy group is trolling?
>
> Did you read the groups list, dim-bulb?
>
>
> "comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.os.windows-xp,comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.publ
> ic.windows.vista.general"
>
> I guess using a MAC has made you stupid.

It was someone complaining about Macs that posted that not a Mac user,
but someone else.
You shouldn't have assumed it was a Mac user.

 

[Tim Murray]

On Dec 4, 2007, chrisv wrote:
>
> I guess using a MAC has made you stupid.

ALL of us have a MAC, you stupid moron.

 

[Snit]

"Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
ChL6j.33643$K27.17930@bignews6.bellsouth.net on 12/8/07 10:45 PM:

> On Dec 4, 2007, chrisv wrote:
>>
>> I guess using a MAC has made you stupid.
>
> ALL of us have a MAC, you stupid moron.
>
If you are on the Internet you have a MAC.


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[Peter Köhlmann]

Tim Murray wrote:

> On Dec 4, 2007, chrisv wrote:
>>
>> I guess using a MAC has made you stupid.
>
> ALL of us have a MAC, you stupid moron.

It shows, I would say.
You know, having a Mac does not exclude being stupid. Quite to the contrary.
The Mac advocates posting their drivel outside csma seem to have a combined
IQ still single digit
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[Peter Köhlmann]

Mitch wrote:

> In article <taebl3taq7648vfilb601cf3qsi8i8l80a@4ax.com>, chrisv
> <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >>Stupid nym-shifting troll.
>> >
>> >So, advocating Apple hardware in a Mac advocacy group is trolling?
>>
>> Did you read the groups list, dim-bulb?
>>
>>
>> "comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.os.windows-xp,comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.publ
>> ic.windows.vista.general"
>>
>> I guess using a MAC has made you stupid.
>
> It was someone complaining about Macs that posted that not a Mac user,
> but someone else.
> You shouldn't have assumed it was a Mac user.

Well, obviously Mac users lack the smarts to reset crossposts.

Apart from the fact that this thread actually was started by the extremely
typical Mac user Oxford. You know, the typical Mac user with a sub-zero IQ
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[thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com]

Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
> ChL6j.33643$K27.17930@bignews6.bellsouth.net on 12/8/07 10:45 PM:
>
>> On Dec 4, 2007, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess using a MAC has made you stupid.
>>
>> ALL of us have a MAC, you stupid moron.
>>
> If you are on the Internet you have a MAC.

Actually, if you are using dialup you might not have an Ethernet
port and thus no MAC address... so it is possible to be on the
Internet and not have a MAC. )

Thad

 

[Snit]

"thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com" <thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com> stated
in post 9pat25-76t.ln1@tux.glaci.com on 12/9/07 7:30 AM:

> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>> ChL6j.33643$K27.17930@bignews6.bellsouth.net on 12/8/07 10:45 PM:
>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2007, chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I guess using a MAC has made you stupid.
>>>
>>> ALL of us have a MAC, you stupid moron.
>>>
>> If you are on the Internet you have a MAC.
>
> Actually, if you are using dialup you might not have an Ethernet
> port and thus no MAC address... so it is possible to be on the
> Internet and not have a MAC. )

Fair enough... silly mistake on my part.


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[ml2mst]

Re: PCWorld: Linux runs faster than Macs

spike1@freenet.co.uk schreef:
> Chris <christo9@notalotofunwanted.aol.com> did eloquently scribble:
>> Those previews are truly amazing! What kind of hardware are they
>> running on? Can this be achieved with run of the mill hardware or is
>> this a quad core machine with the highest end video card?
>
> I've had compiz running quite nicely on a single core 2ghz 512 meg machine.
> It'd probably run quite nicely on my lowly old 1.4 ghz athlon if I tried it.

I have Compiz-Fusion running on top of KDE on a 1,7 Ghz CPU, 384 MiB
PC100 RAM and legacy nvidia Geoforce 2 MX400 with 64 MiB VRAM.

If I want to play a resource hungry game like Alien Arena, however I
shut down Compiz-Fusion and fall back to Kwin (using the Compiz-Fusion
icon).

I guess on a similar machine With 512 MiB RAM and a more modern GPU
(Let's say with 128 Mib VRAM), it should work just fine.

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[Hadron]

Re: PCWorld: Linux runs faster than Macs

ml2mst <ml2mst@gmail.com> writes:

> spike1@freenet.co.uk schreef:
>> Chris <christo9@notalotofunwanted.aol.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>> Those previews are truly amazing! What kind of hardware are they
>>> running on? Can this be achieved with run of the mill hardware or is
>>> this a quad core machine with the highest end video card?
>>
>> I've had compiz running quite nicely on a single core 2ghz 512 meg machine.
>> It'd probably run quite nicely on my lowly old 1.4 ghz athlon if I tried it.
>
> I have Compiz-Fusion running on top of KDE on a 1,7 Ghz CPU, 384 MiB
> PC100 RAM and legacy nvidia Geoforce 2 MX400 with 64 MiB VRAM.
>
> If I want to play a resource hungry game like Alien Arena, however I
> shut down Compiz-Fusion and fall back to Kwin (using the Compiz-Fusion
> icon).
>
> I guess on a similar machine With 512 MiB RAM and a more modern GPU
> (Let's say with 128 Mib VRAM), it should work just fine.
>
> Cheers

Crikey. No wonder so many of you have no idea about modern gaming if
thats the kind of HW you are using. 128 VRam would be a real bottom of
the line antique. Yup a quick glance at newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=48&name=Video-Cards

Having said that, I must say that there really is need for the beast of
a machine I use for development with Linux. It really only gets half
used when playing full screen video on my TV as I work or when I boot to
XP to play an FPS or two.

 

[spike1@freenet.co.uk]

Re: PCWorld: Linux runs faster than Macs

ml2mst <ml2mst@gmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> spike1@freenet.co.uk schreef:
>> Chris <christo9@notalotofunwanted.aol.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>> Those previews are truly amazing! What kind of hardware are they
>>> running on? Can this be achieved with run of the mill hardware or is
>>> this a quad core machine with the highest end video card?
>>
>> I've had compiz running quite nicely on a single core 2ghz 512 meg machine.
>> It'd probably run quite nicely on my lowly old 1.4 ghz athlon if I tried it.

> I have Compiz-Fusion running on top of KDE on a 1,7 Ghz CPU, 384 MiB
> PC100 RAM and legacy nvidia Geoforce 2 MX400 with 64 MiB VRAM.

Heheh. that's what I've got too... MX400. Slower CPU but more RAM though.

Maybe mine's a tad slower though, it's the PCI version. (This micro-atx
style mobo has no AGP slot)
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[spike1@freenet.co.uk]

Re: PCWorld: Linux runs faster than Macs

Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> ml2mst <ml2mst@gmail.com> writes:

>> spike1@freenet.co.uk schreef:
>>> Chris <christo9@notalotofunwanted.aol.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>>> Those previews are truly amazing! What kind of hardware are they
>>>> running on? Can this be achieved with run of the mill hardware or is
>>>> this a quad core machine with the highest end video card?
>>>
>>> I've had compiz running quite nicely on a single core 2ghz 512 meg machine.
>>> It'd probably run quite nicely on my lowly old 1.4 ghz athlon if I tried it.
>>
>> I have Compiz-Fusion running on top of KDE on a 1,7 Ghz CPU, 384 MiB
>> PC100 RAM and legacy nvidia Geoforce 2 MX400 with 64 MiB VRAM.
>>
>> If I want to play a resource hungry game like Alien Arena, however I
>> shut down Compiz-Fusion and fall back to Kwin (using the Compiz-Fusion
>> icon).
>>
>> I guess on a similar machine With 512 MiB RAM and a more modern GPU
>> (Let's say with 128 Mib VRAM), it should work just fine.
>>
>> Cheers

> Crikey. No wonder so many of you have no idea about modern gaming if
> thats the kind of HW you are using. 128 VRam would be a real bottom of
> the line antique. Yup a quick glance at newegg:

Maybe some of us just don't give a snot about "modern gaming".
So what if doom³ runs like a tortoise. No great loss.
It does what I want for now. Though I might be upgrading the hardware soon,
it is getting rather creaky now, being about 4 or 5 years old.
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[spike1@freenet.co.uk]

Tim Murray <no-spam@thankyou.com> did eloquently scribble:
> On Dec 4, 2007, chrisv wrote:
>>
>> I guess using a MAC has made you stupid.

> ALL of us have a MAC, you stupid moron.

Well... not ALL...
There are some still on dialup...

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