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[MEB]

Re: What is Quick Time

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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| There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the usage,
| particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my case,
I
| freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and I'll
bet
| the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly not by
| any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by
| "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that
| http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how many
| sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted using
| Linux?

Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why.

Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not a
cut, just a statement.
AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend.

And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't tell
you as I have no intention of disabling the block]..
The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the
world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each other..

IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people just
bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no NOTHING
about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view nifty
Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer, and
..... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the edge of
the world*...

|
| As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the way of
| application support out there, much less hardware support. And you keep
| ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and
Microsoft's
| stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything else
is
| meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and
millions
| of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between
| programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. I
*want*
| mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and crappy.
As
| does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part comes
in,
| and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. They are
| invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it except in
| some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment.

What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that isn't
found in a Linux version or specific program?

SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and devices,
you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to have no
control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would
usually be "lead by the nose".

|
| Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which could be
| wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps
making
| inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the
| personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for those.

Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix, Linux,
Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted, home
usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was used
because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use came from
third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous
browser... and that's about it.

Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a Linux/Unix
or variant?

What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems?

|
| Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the pace of
| that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with them a
| bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a hunch or
| based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and always has

| been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has any
| near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the numbers.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com

I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I have
that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual
uninformed Windows user...

|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers as no
one
| > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites statistics
| > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE Microsoft's
| > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR to be
the
| > proper browser and OS is used....
| >
| > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about Linux
| > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft "borrows"
a
| > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, the
| > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and write
| > the
| > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can
| > implement
| > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work to
| > create
| > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes even more
| > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those
deliberately
| > DUMB devices..
| >
| > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or you
can
| > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make.
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you know
| > as
| > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. Then we
| > got
| > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a
master
| > OS
| > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else has
| > come
| > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux
distros
| > are
| > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's the
| > most
| > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run Windows
XP
| > | decently using a VM!
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > |
| > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | >
| > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed.
| > | >
| > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers.
| > | >
| > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP [or
| > even
| > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft
doesn't
| > and
| > | >> is
| > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely
upon
| > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to follow
| > its
| > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs.
| > | >
| > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, capitalism
is
| > a
| > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level
| > quality
| > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are FACTS. I
| > don't
| > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's
pace
| > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee.
| > | >
| > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means
little.
| > | >
| > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it!
| > | >
| > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather
than
| > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed.
| > | >
| > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day.
| > | >
| > | >>Wouldn't you rather have
| > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft.
| > | >
| > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS code
| > got
| > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting
| > changed
| > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware
| > developer
| > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again, you
| > are
| > | > describing chaos.
| > | >
| > | >>Wouldn't you
| > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to
protect
| > you
| > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the
| > | >> comparison
| > | >> is negated].
| > | >
| > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"? And
| > how
| > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think abou
| > tit,
| > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people"
| > helping
| > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to busy
| > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL BE
ON
| > THE
| > | > SAME TEAM!
| > | >
| > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret coding,
| > yet
| > | >> just
| > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would
you
| > | >> support
| > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their
| > own?
| > | >
| > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to
| > actually
| > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply that
the
| > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that they
are
| > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty as
the
| > ones
| > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock.
| > | >
| > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP other
| > than
| > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could come
| > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be
| > maintaining
| > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that this
is
| > due
| > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace them,
| > need
| > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of
affairs
| > to
| > | > the chaos you describe.
| > | >
| > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so
| > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it
purports
| > to
| > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own writings...
| > | >
| > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for
XP/Vista/whatever?
| > I
| > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust
| > settles.
| > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this
| > mongrel
| > | > Vista.
| > | >
| > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster
| > called
| > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided the
| > error
| > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY cost
| > the
| > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the
| > parties
| > | >> who
| > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for
| > doing
| > | >> so,
| > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense am
| > I,
| > ah
| > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and
which
| > I
| > | >> PAY
| > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now
regret....
| > no
| > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X
| > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world
| > needed
| > | >> [it
| > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT
| > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended,
has,
| > per
| > | >> my
| > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other
servers.
| > | >> That
| > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is
| > | >> something I
| > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this
| > group,
| > I
| > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did not
| > | >> completely do.
| > | >
| > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care about
| > your
| > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your
| > worldview
| > | > is at odds with reality.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > www.grystmill.com
| > | >

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
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[MEB]

Re: What is Quick Time

OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top...

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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|
|
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts that
| > indicates that.
|
| Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish to
| reside.

CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market calls,
investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for
people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude,
resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps,
elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands of the
select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this other
lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh wait,
that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has kept
this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times since
the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by foreign
nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not
Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no profit in
it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their
problem....

So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the next
thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been a few
thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal technological
usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and fill
it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,, yep
that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way....

We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can eat
ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the population
like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the plan,
whatyatink...

|
| > WHY would I post that in this group???
| > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and
explain
| > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put material
| > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or rather
| > attempt
| > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to "NOT"
| > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be clean... who
| > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been re-allocated,
| > who
| > cares....
|
| Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And since
when

It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP. Seems
that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of XP
users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and
viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP. AND
changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of disks, how
to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other useful
items......

| DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid contributions?
And
| who DOES care, anyway?
|
| > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it...
| >
| > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR more....
| > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I HAVE run
| > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs,
testing,
| > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it
again...
|
| Have fun.
|
| > Are we done yet?
|
| Don't know, yet.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com

Apparently we aren't....

|
|
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but if
you
| > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the things that
| > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy, yes.
| > |
| > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative
features
| > and
| > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is plain
| > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and hit
the
| > high
| > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data.
| > |
| > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I
ALWAYS
| > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made to
lie.
| > |
| > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's leave off
| > this
| > | discussion, OK?
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring,
Internet
| > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device monitoring,
| > | > etc.,,,
| > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a bit
| > more
| > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't it..
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!! That
| > leaves
| > | > you
| > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy babble.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle that
| > format
| > in
| > | > | > some
| > | > | > other player which IS being supported.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to
foster
| > the
| > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its just
so
| > | > good
| > | > | > and
| > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is
difficult
| > to
| > | > find
| > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows choice
| > as
| > | > XP,
| > | > | > and
| > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the garbage
spewed
| > by
| > | > | > media
| > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP which I
| > DID
| > | > spend
| > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good its,,, look
| > HERE:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > _________
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING installed
on
| > it
| > | > at
| > | > | > one
| > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their
| > | > | > branding/helpful
| > | > | > | software, etc.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play something?
After
| > all,
| > | >
| > | > | > what
| > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98
itself.
| > In
| > | > | > fact,
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might actually
| > | > listen.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for some
time.
| > It
| > | > is
| > | > a
| > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated.
| > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do not
| > allow
| > | > it
| > | > | > access
| > | > | > | > to the Internet.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed this for
| > you?
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > _________
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com...
| > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote:
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? Sygate
| > says
| > it
| > | > was
| > | > | > | > critical that I
| > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick Time,
and
| > I
| > | > don't
| > | > | > even
| > | > | > | > remember what
| > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov and
*.mp4
| > | > files,
| > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it will
also
| > get
| > | > you
| > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes (whether
| > you
| > | > have
| > | > | > | > | iTunes or not).
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery
| > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User)
| > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov
| > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
| > | > | > | >
--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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[CdLSRN]

Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time

Maurice, I don't need Quick Time for the bank. When I uninstalled it, I was able to
do my banking just fine. I wouldn't want anything "unsafe" running with my bank
sessions.
I'm guessing from the conversation that there is no replacement for Quick Time to
run .MOV. I am able to run .mpg videos on 'Windows Media Player'. But when I click
my .mov it says it needs "PLAY32.EXE". Is that all I need? Maybe I don't need Quick
Time.
But if I do, are you familiar with how to set up Avast to LIMIT, via the
firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE? Ginny







"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OQwUxXiwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI
> reminders.
> You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE. Same as
> for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then that's
> what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local materials,
> then it gets no outside access...
> As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what, that
> LIMITS what hacks can be used...
>
> 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with a little
> thought applied.
>
> As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily, they
> aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I suppose such
> was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da tv, dis
> be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast...
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not
> running
> | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people use
> | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at hand,
> | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera with
> no
> | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she has
> | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart...
> |
> | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or update
> | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that
> | update.
> |
> | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days?
> |
> | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be forced to
> | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new
> learning
> | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend?
> |
> | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when
> | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the first
> | place.
> |
> | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the
> works
> | on 9x.
> |
> | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live in
> | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software that
> | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation?
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on
> | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or
> | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and elsewhere..
> | >
> | > REFERENCE
> | > National Cyber Alert System
> | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A
> | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities
> | > Original release date: April 3, 2008
> | >
> | > SEE ALSO:
> | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB
> | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses [consider
> with
> | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still
> vulnerable].
> | > AND:
> | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here
> 03-07-2008
> | > if you intend to use SUN.
> | > ,
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you up
> | > front
> | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was
> released
> | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts today.
> | > What
> | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places I'd
> | > expect
> | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of stuff.
> | > Gotta
> | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 &
> 5...
> | > All
> | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to
> | > complete
> | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I stopped
> | > there,
> | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case)
> with
> | > the
> | > | >newer versions.
> | > | >
> | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I can.
> What
> | > | >> you've
> | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB was
> | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will
> still
> | > run
> | > | >> on
> | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98 box
> so
> | > I
> | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its
> | > installation,
> | > | >> etc.
> | > | >>
> | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that it
> | > works
> | > | >> with
> | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find it.
> | > | >> Assuming I
> | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was one
> I
> | > | >> downloaded in late '05.)
> | > | >>
> | > | >> --
> | > | >> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | >> www.grystmill.com
> | > | >>
> | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE
> | > downloaded
> | > it
> | > | >>> and ran it
> | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE
> that
> | > was
> | > | >>> missing. Now
> | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove
> | > programs
> | > | >>> and in
> | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies are
> | > | >>> playing
> | > | >>> well,
> | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone as
> I
> | > am
> | > | >>> sure there are
> | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid of
> it
> | > | >>> without hurting
> | > | >>> Quick Time 32.
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever you
> | > feel
> | > | >>>> like
> | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's your
> | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond to.
> If
> | > you
> | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this
> thread
> | > | >>>> ("IE
> | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm lost"
> | > post.
> | > | >>>> While
> | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original issue,
> | > you're
> | > | >>>> now
> | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread. No
> | > need
> | > | >>>> to
> | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread.
> | > | >>>>
> | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and some
> in
> | > | >>>> depth,
> | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part of
> | > others.
> | > | >>>> I
> | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And because
> you
> | > | >>>> posted
> | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I* have
> | > to
> | > go
> | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML
> | > update,
> | > | >>>> etc.,
> | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your question(s)
> | > there.
> | > | >>>>
> | > | >>>> --
> | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | >>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | >>>>
> | > | >>>>
> | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings.
> | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to delete.
> I
> | > | >>>>> need
> | > | >>>>> it
> | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please.
> | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit add/remove
> | > | >>>>> programs
> | > | >>>>> it
> | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my
> | > digital
> | > | >>>>> camera
> | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k.
> | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It only
> | > gives
> | > | >>>>> the
> | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it
> says
> | > that
> | > | >>>>> I
> | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that.
> | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I should
> | > | >>>>> uninstall
> | > | >>>>> and
> | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files.
> | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option to
> | > | >>>>> uninstall?
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none>
> | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
> | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM
> | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking about.
> You
> | > | >>>>>> should
> | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require it.
> | > Might
> | > | >>>>>> just
> | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to the
> | > last
> | > | >>>>>> version
> | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.)
> | > | >>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>> --
> | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | >>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | >>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again. I
> | > will
> | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that
> | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk).
> | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q time
> | > says
> | > if
> | > | >>>>>>> I
> | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I
> | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the
> slightest
> | > | >>>>>>> idea
> | > | >>>>> what
> | > | >>>>>>> it came
> | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start. Further
> | > | >>>>>>> investigation
> | > | >>>>>>> shows that
> | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says it is
> | > for
> | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND
> QTW32EEL.EXE....which
> | > is
> | > | >>>>>>> why
> | > | >>>>>>> I
> | > | >>>>>>> can't open
> | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't know
> | > what
> | > | >>>>>>> CD
> | > | >>>>> it
> | > | >>>>>>> would be on
> | > | >>>>>>> to re-install.
> | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can get
> | > online.
> | > | >>>>>>> Gin
> | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you might
> | > want
> | > to
> | > | >>>>>>>> consider:
> | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes the
> | > SDK.
> | > If
> | > | >>>>>>>> you're
> | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes MSXML
> | > and
> | > | >>>>>>>> post
> | > | >>>>> it
> | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get:
> | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer
> | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch:
> | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl
> | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>> --
> | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | >>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all created
> | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02.
> | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB, msxml4a.dll
> is
> | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5
> | > | >>>>> KB.
> | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>>
> | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here unclear
> | > about
> | > | >>>>>> how
> | > | >>>>>> to do
> | > | >>>>> this
> | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file
> | > version
> | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I
> | > | >>>>> typed
> | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML 4.0
> | > Service
> | > | >>>>>> Pack2
> | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I
> | > downloaded.
> | > Is
> | > | >>>>>> that the
> | > | >>>>> first
> | > | >>>>>> one or the second one??
> | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from my
> | > | >>>>>> system???
> | > | >>>>>> I am
> | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin
> | > | >>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank. *Everything*
> you
> | > do
> | > | >>>>>>> for
> | > | >>>>>>> a
> | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you
> | > recognize,
> | > | >>>>>>> then,
> | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but to
> | > trust
> | > | >>>>>>> that
> | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update to
> | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's
> | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it says
> | > | >>>>>>> "change"
> | > | >>>>>>> it
> | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are
> expected
> | > to
> | > | >>>>>>> be
> | > | >>>>>>> able
> | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update Sygate
> | > | >>>>>>> appropriately.
> | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is being
> | > cited,
> | > | >>>>>>> like
> | > | >>>>>>> you
> | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some
> | > research.
> | > | >>>>>>> But try
> | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you read
> | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere
> | > | >>>>>>> using
> | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's an
> | > | >>>>>>> important
> | > | >>>>>>> (or
> | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that
> advice
> | > in
> | > | >>>>>>> the
> | > | >>>>>>> near
> | > | >>>>>>> future.
> | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should have
> | > | >>>>>>> learned
> | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS that
> | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime
> | > | >>>>>>> of
> | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then
> install
> | > the
> | > | >>>>>>> latest
> | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate is
> | > teaching
> | > | >>>>>>> you,
> | > | >>>>>>> too.
> | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>> --
> | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | >>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply dont know if it is
> | > o.k.
> | > | >>>>>>>> to
> | > | >>>>>>>> allow
> | > | >>>>>>>> every
> | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and Outlook
> | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If
> | > | >>>>>>>> it is
> | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my business.
> But
> | > it
> | > | >>>>>>>> seems to
> | > | >>>>>>>> me we
> | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that didn't
> | > belong
> | > | >>>>>>>> and
> | > | >>>>>>>> putting in
> | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I
> allow
> | > my
> | > | >>>>>>>> Internet
> | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer
> | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs.
> | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is Sygate
> | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to
> | > | >>>>>>>> me that
> | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that before
> | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate,
> | > | >>>>>>>> my
> | > | >>>>>>>> programs
> | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any
> sense?
> | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items that
> are
> | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed
> | > | >>>>>>>>> using a
> | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like
> plugins
> | > and
> | > | >>>>>>>>> they
> | > | >>>>>>>>> are
> | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and
> 32-bit),
> | > | >>>>>>>>> installed
> | > | >>>>>>>>> by
> | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in
> Internet
> | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On
> | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check against
> my
> | > | >>>>>>>>> system
> | > | >>>>>>>>> as I
> | > | >>>>>>>>> am
> | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs you,
> just
> | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall
> | > | >>>>>>>>> QT
> | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can always
> go
> | > | >>>>>>>>> back
> | > | >>>>>>>>> and
> | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it.
> | > | >>>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having to
> | > train
> | > | >>>>>>>>> that
> | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that process,
> | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it
> | > | >>>>>>>>> and
> | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already
> have
> | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty
> | > | >>>>>>>>> decent
> | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall
> isn't
> | > | >>>>>>>>> done
> | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging
> | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot.
> | > | >>>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>>> --
> | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | >>>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | >>>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet Options.
> I
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> have
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some money
> | > to
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> my
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> son
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> and
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> another
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the
> following
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> list)
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> of
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access the
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet."
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet Explorer
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> while
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue. I
> | > would
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I don't
> know
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> what
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into my
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank.
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong side
> | > of
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it seems.
> | > Though
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes to
> his
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP.
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> --
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>>
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>

 

[MEB]

Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time

Oh I'm sorry, I saw where you needed QT locally, and I can see why.

It isn't AVAST you use, but your software firewall. That is the key feature
of a software firewall, hardware firewalls are unable to *completely*
monitor running processes.

The version of QT you use isn't really important, AS LONG AS ITS BLOCKED
and only used locally, *or* just like for any program, IS important [use the
last supported version] IF Internet usage, but only allowed access to the
actual sites necessary/which require its use, AND you can't live without
them AND they are *clean* sites..

Now, there are some other programs which provide .mov and other QT
extension playback, or creation or conversion, via pluggins or other. I
can't recommend one as I stopped that usage a long time ago as I found no
real need for it.

Your best bet, however, is to convert those irreplaceable *.mov to another
format for use in something you already have installed, that's usually
Windows Media player.
That also makes it a little bit easier to configure your firewall, as you
don't have to configure *many* applications and their access, and can keep
your firewall rules in a small, tightly configured, manner. Security is
based upon YOUR ability to control what goes on with the help of security
software, and settings,

In example: I still use IE6 for testing purposes, but its access to port
443 is NOT configured for general use. That port is now called by some sites
to push advertising and other scripts and code. Only sites which I know and
use have been allowed access AND I am notified when it IS used or attempted
at use either IN or OUT, I still have to manually allow it. The other
testing browsers I use {Opera, FireFox, SeaMonkey} have also been limited.
FYI: that port is supposedly only for secure/trusted use and has a higher
level of system access if allowed.

The same is applied for all programs for which this can be done, such as
mail programs, news readers, players, etc.. THEY don't control access and
use, I DO with a little help. EVERTHING is defined and controlled as best as
possible. This isn't done by default in ANY Microsoft OS, even the new ones,
because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and a
little bit of typing knowledge which is only what most general usage
Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance,
that's a statement of plain fact

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:48401faf$0$25031$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| Maurice, I don't need Quick Time for the bank. When I uninstalled it, I
was able to
| do my banking just fine. I wouldn't want anything "unsafe" running with my
bank
| sessions.
| I'm guessing from the conversation that there is no replacement for Quick
Time to
| run .MOV. I am able to run .mpg videos on 'Windows Media Player'. But
when I click
| my .mov it says it needs "PLAY32.EXE". Is that all I need? Maybe I don't
need Quick
| Time.
| But if I do, are you familiar with how to set up Avast to LIMIT, via
the
| firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE? Ginny
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OQwUxXiwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI
| > reminders.
| > You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE.
Same as
| > for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then
that's
| > what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local
materials,
| > then it gets no outside access...
| > As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what, that
| > LIMITS what hacks can be used...
| >
| > 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with a
little
| > thought applied.
| >
| > As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily, they
| > aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I suppose
such
| > was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da tv,
dis
| > be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast...
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not
| > running
| > | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people
use
| > | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at
hand,
| > | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera
with
| > no
| > | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she
has
| > | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart...
| > |
| > | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or
update
| > | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that
| > | update.
| > |
| > | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days?
| > |
| > | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be
forced to
| > | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new
| > learning
| > | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend?
| > |
| > | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when
| > | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the
first
| > | place.
| > |
| > | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the
| > works
| > | on 9x.
| > |
| > | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live
in
| > | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software
that
| > | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation?
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on
| > | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or
| > | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and
elsewhere..
| > | >
| > | > REFERENCE
| > | > National Cyber Alert System
| > | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A
| > | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities
| > | > Original release date: April 3, 2008
| > | >
| > | > SEE ALSO:
| > | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB
| > | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses
[consider
| > with
| > | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still
| > vulnerable].
| > | > AND:
| > | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here
| > 03-07-2008
| > | > if you intend to use SUN.
| > | > ,
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you
up
| > | > front
| > | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was
| > released
| > | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts
today.
| > | > What
| > | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places
I'd
| > | > expect
| > | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of
stuff.
| > | > Gotta
| > | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 &
| > 5...
| > | > All
| > | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to
| > | > complete
| > | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| > | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I
stopped
| > | > there,
| > | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case)
| > with
| > | > the
| > | > | >newer versions.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| > | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I
can.
| > What
| > | > | >> you've
| > | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB
was
| > | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will
| > still
| > | > run
| > | > | >> on
| > | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98
box
| > so
| > | > I
| > | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its
| > | > installation,
| > | > | >> etc.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that
it
| > | > works
| > | > | >> with
| > | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find
it.
| > | > | >> Assuming I
| > | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was
one
| > I
| > | > | >> downloaded in late '05.)
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> --
| > | > | >> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE
| > | > downloaded
| > | > it
| > | > | >>> and ran it
| > | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE
| > that
| > | > was
| > | > | >>> missing. Now
| > | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove
| > | > programs
| > | > | >>> and in
| > | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies
are
| > | > | >>> playing
| > | > | >>> well,
| > | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone
as
| > I
| > | > am
| > | > | >>> sure there are
| > | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid
of
| > it
| > | > | >>> without hurting
| > | > | >>> Quick Time 32.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever
you
| > | > feel
| > | > | >>>> like
| > | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's
your
| > | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond
to.
| > If
| > | > you
| > | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this
| > thread
| > | > | >>>> ("IE
| > | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm
lost"
| > | > post.
| > | > | >>>> While
| > | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original
issue,
| > | > you're
| > | > | >>>> now
| > | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread.
No
| > | > need
| > | > | >>>> to
| > | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and
some
| > in
| > | > | >>>> depth,
| > | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part
of
| > | > others.
| > | > | >>>> I
| > | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And
because
| > you
| > | > | >>>> posted
| > | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I*
have
| > | > to
| > | > go
| > | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML
| > | > update,
| > | > | >>>> etc.,
| > | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your
question(s)
| > | > there.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> --
| > | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings.
| > | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to
delete.
| > I
| > | > | >>>>> need
| > | > | >>>>> it
| > | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please.
| > | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit
add/remove
| > | > | >>>>> programs
| > | > | >>>>> it
| > | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my
| > | > digital
| > | > | >>>>> camera
| > | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k.
| > | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It
only
| > | > gives
| > | > | >>>>> the
| > | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it
| > says
| > | > that
| > | > | >>>>> I
| > | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that.
| > | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I
should
| > | > | >>>>> uninstall
| > | > | >>>>> and
| > | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files.
| > | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option
to
| > | > | >>>>> uninstall?
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
| > | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none>
| > | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| > | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM
| > | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking
about.
| > You
| > | > | >>>>>> should
| > | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require
it.
| > | > Might
| > | > | >>>>>> just
| > | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to
the
| > | > last
| > | > | >>>>>> version
| > | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.)
| > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>> --
| > | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again.
I
| > | > will
| > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that
| > | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk).
| > | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q
time
| > | > says
| > | > if
| > | > | >>>>>>> I
| > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I
| > | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the
| > slightest
| > | > | >>>>>>> idea
| > | > | >>>>> what
| > | > | >>>>>>> it came
| > | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start.
Further
| > | > | >>>>>>> investigation
| > | > | >>>>>>> shows that
| > | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says
it is
| > | > for
| > | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND
| > QTW32EEL.EXE....which
| > | > is
| > | > | >>>>>>> why
| > | > | >>>>>>> I
| > | > | >>>>>>> can't open
| > | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't
know
| > | > what
| > | > | >>>>>>> CD
| > | > | >>>>> it
| > | > | >>>>>>> would be on
| > | > | >>>>>>> to re-install.
| > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can
get
| > | > online.
| > | > | >>>>>>> Gin
| > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you
might
| > | > want
| > | > to
| > | > | >>>>>>>> consider:
| > | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes
the
| > | > SDK.
| > | > If
| > | > | >>>>>>>> you're
| > | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes
MSXML
| > | > and
| > | > | >>>>>>>> post
| > | > | >>>>> it
| > | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get:
| > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer
| > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch:
| > | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl
| > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>> --
| > | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all
created
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02.
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB,
msxml4a.dll
| > is
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5
| > | > | >>>>> KB.
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here
unclear
| > | > about
| > | > | >>>>>> how
| > | > | >>>>>> to do
| > | > | >>>>> this
| > | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file
| > | > version
| > | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I
| > | > | >>>>> typed
| > | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML
4.0
| > | > Service
| > | > | >>>>>> Pack2
| > | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I
| > | > downloaded.
| > | > Is
| > | > | >>>>>> that the
| > | > | >>>>> first
| > | > | >>>>>> one or the second one??
| > | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from
my
| > | > | >>>>>> system???
| > | > | >>>>>> I am
| > | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin
| > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank.
*Everything*
| > you
| > | > do
| > | > | >>>>>>> for
| > | > | >>>>>>> a
| > | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you
| > | > recognize,
| > | > | >>>>>>> then,
| > | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but
to
| > | > trust
| > | > | >>>>>>> that
| > | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update
to
| > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's
| > | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it
says
| > | > | >>>>>>> "change"
| > | > | >>>>>>> it
| > | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are
| > expected
| > | > to
| > | > | >>>>>>> be
| > | > | >>>>>>> able
| > | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update
Sygate
| > | > | >>>>>>> appropriately.
| > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is
being
| > | > cited,
| > | > | >>>>>>> like
| > | > | >>>>>>> you
| > | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some
| > | > research.
| > | > | >>>>>>> But try
| > | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you
read
| > | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere
| > | > | >>>>>>> using
| > | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's
an
| > | > | >>>>>>> important
| > | > | >>>>>>> (or
| > | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that
| > advice
| > | > in
| > | > | >>>>>>> the
| > | > | >>>>>>> near
| > | > | >>>>>>> future.
| > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should
have
| > | > | >>>>>>> learned
| > | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS
that
| > | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime
| > | > | >>>>>>> of
| > | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then
| > install
| > | > the
| > | > | >>>>>>> latest
| > | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate
is
| > | > teaching
| > | > | >>>>>>> you,
| > | > | >>>>>>> too.
| > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>> --
| > | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply dont know if
it is
| > | > o.k.
| > | > | >>>>>>>> to
| > | > | >>>>>>>> allow
| > | > | >>>>>>>> every
| > | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and
Outlook
| > | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If
| > | > | >>>>>>>> it is
| > | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my
business.
| > But
| > | > it
| > | > | >>>>>>>> seems to
| > | > | >>>>>>>> me we
| > | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that
didn't
| > | > belong
| > | > | >>>>>>>> and
| > | > | >>>>>>>> putting in
| > | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I
| > allow
| > | > my
| > | > | >>>>>>>> Internet
| > | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer
| > | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs.
| > | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is
Sygate
| > | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to
| > | > | >>>>>>>> me that
| > | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that
before
| > | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate,
| > | > | >>>>>>>> my
| > | > | >>>>>>>> programs
| > | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any
| > sense?
| > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items
that
| > are
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> using a
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like
| > plugins
| > | > and
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> they
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> are
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and
| > 32-bit),
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> installed
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> by
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in
| > Internet
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check
against
| > my
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> system
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> as I
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> am
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs
you,
| > just
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can
always
| > go
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> back
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> and
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it.
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having
to
| > | > train
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> that
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that
process,
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> and
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already
| > have
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> decent
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall
| > isn't
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> done
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot.
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> --
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet
Options.
| > I
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> have
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some
money
| > | > to
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> my
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> son
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> and
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> another
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the
| > following
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> list)
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> of
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access
the
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet."
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet
Explorer
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> while
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue.
I
| > | > would
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I
don't
| > know
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> what
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into
my
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank.
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong
side
| > | > of
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it
seems.
| > | > Though
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes
to
| > his
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP.
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> --
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|

 

[Angel]

Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We are
beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says she is a
Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she is
sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very well
anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new one. I
bought it long before I retired 16 years ago.

I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I
uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not updated the
Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use.

Angel

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS-MVP Shell/User
: www.grystmill.com
:
: "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to subside.
: > Even
: > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a long
hall,
: > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not pessimistic only
: > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean.
: >
: > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most of the
: > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her sight. I
: > finally
: > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her off. She
: > did
: > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't give up
: > easily neither.
: >
: > Angel
: >
: > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and has a
good
: > back
: > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort. After
: > all,
: > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be
pessimistic,
: > but
: > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.)
: > :
: > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... I used
to
: > do
: > : that on a regular basis, <bg>.
: > :
: > : --
: > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : www.grystmill.com
: > :
: > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
: > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I never
would
: > try
: > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone IN my
: > head!!
: > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!!
: > : >
: > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. My cat
and
: > I
: > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the arm of
the
: > : > office
: > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some.
: > : >
: > : > Angel
: > : >
: > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try standing in her
: > head,
: > : > : <eg>.
: > : > :
: > : > : --
: > : > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : > : www.grystmill.com
: > : > :
: > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
: > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
: > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or towel
in
: > : > front
: > : > of
: > : > : > you at the
: > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. Of
course,
: > : > laying
: > : > : > down with
: > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you to do
that.
: > : > Sorry
: > : > : > for your
: > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N.
: > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: > : > : >> Hi Gary,
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long at a
: > time.
: > : > Still
: > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle swells up
: > quite
: > : > a
: > : > : >> bit.
: > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to keep the
: > : > swelling
: > : > : >> down,
: > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head?
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and follow the
: > : > directions
: > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you get the
: > mail,
: > : > you
: > : > : >> can
: > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top of the
: > email
: > : > and
: > : > : >> hit
: > : > : >> the show images. EASY!
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> Angel
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about Yahoo!
Mail.
: > : > : >> :
: > : > : >> : --
: > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune
: > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : > : >> : www.grystmill.com
: > : > : >> :
: > : > : >> :
: > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: > : > : >> : > Hi all,
: > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail.
: > : > : >> : > Angel
: > : > : >> : >
: > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including setting
: > email
: > : > apps
: > : > : >> to
: > : > : >> : > only
: > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry
about
: > any
: > : > : >> viruses
: > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If you
get
: > a
: > : > POS
: > : > : >> HTML
: > : > : >> : > email
: > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source, then
: > you
: > : > can
: > : > : >> change
: > : > : >> : > to
: > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.)
: > : > : >> : > :
: > : > : >> : > : --
: > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : > : >> : > : www.grystmill.com
: > : > : >> : > :
: > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
: > : > : >> : > : news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com...
: > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is very
poor
: > : > : >> software
: > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I
wont
: > even
: > : > : >> allow
: > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire
directory
: > many
: > : > : >> years
: > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email
software
: > as
: > : > well
: > : > : >> as
: > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as the
newer
: > : > : >> versions
: > : > : >> of
: > : > : >> : > : > Agent).
: > : > : >> : > :
: > : > : >> : >
: > : > : >> : >
: > : > : >> :
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >>
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: >
: >
:

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: What is Quick Time

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the
> usage,
> | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my
> case,
> I
> | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and I'll
> bet
> | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly not
> by
> | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by
> | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that
> | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how many
> | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted using
> | Linux?
>
> Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why.

I dunno. You don't like being counted?

> Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not a
> cut, just a statement.
> AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend.

> And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't tell
> you as I have no intention of disabling the block]..
> The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the
> world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each
> other..
>
> IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people just
> bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no NOTHING
> about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view
> nifty
> Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer, and
> .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the edge
> of
> the world*...

Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a format
that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best.

> | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the way of
> | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you keep
> | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and
> Microsoft's
> | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything
> else
> is
> | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and
> millions
> | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between
> | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. I
> *want*
> | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and
> crappy.
> As
> | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part comes
> in,
> | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. They
> are
> | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it except in
> | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment.
>
> What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that isn't
> found in a Linux version or specific program?

I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And in any
case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these days that
one can write a single version of an application (or two or three, max) that
will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having to
personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent?

> SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and
> devices,
> you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to have
> no
> control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would
> usually be "lead by the nose".

Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want.
Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for most uses
I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it or not,
Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you talk about
the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me that
YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are perfect
examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the minute,
made possible for the most part by Windows.

If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have met my
wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a courtship
via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life we have
together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing business.
(Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for either
of us.)

> |
> | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which could
> be
> | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps
> making
> | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the
> | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for those.
>
> Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix, Linux,
> Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted,
> home
> usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was used
> because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use came
> from
> third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous
> browser... and that's about it.

More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it is
today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to keep to
themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want everyone
else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.)

And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself through
astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all well
known history. You're whining again.

> Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a Linux/Unix
> or variant?

Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that with that
upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish stuff stuff
out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these internet-RUNNING
machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any problems, to
have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And if
they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible internet
hacks?

> What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems?

Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest target"
paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly
maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all, easy
targets for hackers.

What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't allow any
users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and programming
computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, like
certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you going to
get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers instead
of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would magically
cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the operating
system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can somehow
coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it
impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go.

> | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the pace
> of
> | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with them
> a
> | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a hunch
> or
> | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and always
> has
>
> | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has any
> | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the numbers.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
>
> I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I
> have
> that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual
> uninformed Windows user...

Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over again for
ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again, why do
you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking cookies,
scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything
*malicious* at that site?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers as no
> one
> | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites
> statistics
> | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE
> Microsoft's
> | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR to be
> the
> | > proper browser and OS is used....
> | >
> | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about Linux
> | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft
> "borrows"
> a
> | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, the
> | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and
> write
> | > the
> | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can
> | > implement
> | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work to
> | > create
> | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes even
> more
> | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those
> deliberately
> | > DUMB devices..
> | >
> | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or you
> can
> | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make.
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you
> know
> | > as
> | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced. Then
> we
> | > got
> | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a
> master
> | > OS
> | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else has
> | > come
> | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux
> distros
> | > are
> | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's the
> | > most
> | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run Windows
> XP
> | > | decently using a VM!
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | >
> | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed.
> | > | >
> | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers.
> | > | >
> | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP
> [or
> | > even
> | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft
> doesn't
> | > and
> | > | >> is
> | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to rely
> upon
> | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to
> follow
> | > its
> | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs.
> | > | >
> | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again, capitalism
> is
> | > a
> | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level
> | > quality
> | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are FACTS.
> I
> | > don't
> | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's
> pace
> | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee.
> | > | >
> | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means
> little.
> | > | >
> | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it!
> | > | >
> | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today, rather
> than
> | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed.
> | > | >
> | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day.
> | > | >
> | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have
> | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft.
> | > | >
> | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS
> code
> | > got
> | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting
> | > changed
> | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware
> | > developer
> | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again,
> you
> | > are
> | > | > describing chaos.
> | > | >
> | > | >>Wouldn't you
> | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to
> protect
> | > you
> | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the
> | > | >> comparison
> | > | >> is negated].
> | > | >
> | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"?
> And
> | > how
> | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think
> abou
> | > tit,
> | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people"
> | > helping
> | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to busy
> | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL
> BE
> ON
> | > THE
> | > | > SAME TEAM!
> | > | >
> | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret
> coding,
> | > yet
> | > | >> just
> | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why would
> you
> | > | >> support
> | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of their
> | > own?
> | > | >
> | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to
> | > actually
> | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply that
> the
> | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that they
> are
> | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty as
> the
> | > ones
> | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock.
> | > | >
> | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP other
> | > than
> | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could
> come
> | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be
> | > maintaining
> | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that this
> is
> | > due
> | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace
> them,
> | > need
> | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of
> affairs
> | > to
> | > | > the chaos you describe.
> | > | >
> | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight so
> | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it
> purports
> | > to
> | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own
> writings...
> | > | >
> | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for
> XP/Vista/whatever?
> | > I
> | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust
> | > settles.
> | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this
> | > mongrel
> | > | > Vista.
> | > | >
> | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this monster
> | > called
> | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided
> the
> | > error
> | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY
> cost
> | > the
> | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally] the
> | > parties
> | > | >> who
> | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED for
> | > doing
> | > | >> so,
> | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how dense
> am
> | > I,
> | > ah
> | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and
> which
> | > I
> | > | >> PAY
> | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now
> regret....
> | > no
> | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this 9X
> | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the world
> | > needed
> | > | >> [it
> | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The NT
> | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended,
> has,
> | > per
> | > | >> my
> | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other
> servers.
> | > | >> That
> | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences is
> | > | >> something I
> | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this
> | > group,
> | > I
> | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did
> not
> | > | >> completely do.
> | > | >
> | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care
> about
> | > your
> | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your
> | > worldview
> | > | > is at odds with reality.
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > www.grystmill.com
> | > | >
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- SypwareBlaster.
You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We are
> beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says she is
> a
> Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she is
> sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very well
> anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new one. I
> bought it long before I retired 16 years ago.
>
> I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I
> uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not updated the
> Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use.
>
> Angel
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy.
> :
> : --
> : Gary S. Terhune
> : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : www.grystmill.com
> :
> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to subside.
> : > Even
> : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a long
> hall,
> : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not pessimistic
> only
> : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean.
> : >
> : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most of
> the
> : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her sight. I
> : > finally
> : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her off.
> She
> : > did
> : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't give
> up
> : > easily neither.
> : >
> : > Angel
> : >
> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and has a
> good
> : > back
> : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort. After
> : > all,
> : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be
> pessimistic,
> : > but
> : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.)
> : > :
> : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... I used
> to
> : > do
> : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>.
> : > :
> : > : --
> : > : Gary S. Terhune
> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : > : www.grystmill.com
> : > :
> : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I never
> would
> : > try
> : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone IN my
> : > head!!
> : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!!
> : > : >
> : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. My cat
> and
> : > I
> : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the arm of
> the
> : > : > office
> : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some.
> : > : >
> : > : > Angel
> : > : >
> : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try standing in
> her
> : > head,
> : > : > : <eg>.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --
> : > : > : Gary S. Terhune
> : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : > : > : www.grystmill.com
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or towel
> in
> : > : > front
> : > : > of
> : > : > : > you at the
> : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. Of
> course,
> : > : > laying
> : > : > : > down with
> : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you to do
> that.
> : > : > Sorry
> : > : > : > for your
> : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N.
> : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> : > : > : >> Hi Gary,
> : > : > : >>
> : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long at a
> : > time.
> : > : > Still
> : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle swells
> up
> : > quite
> : > : > a
> : > : > : >> bit.
> : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to keep the
> : > : > swelling
> : > : > : >> down,
> : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head?
> : > : > : >>
> : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and follow the
> : > : > directions
> : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you get the
> : > mail,
> : > : > you
> : > : > : >> can
> : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top of
> the
> : > email
> : > : > and
> : > : > : >> hit
> : > : > : >> the show images. EASY!
> : > : > : >>
> : > : > : >> Angel
> : > : > : >>
> : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about Yahoo!
> Mail.
> : > : > : >> :
> : > : > : >> : --
> : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune
> : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : > : > : >> : www.grystmill.com
> : > : > : >> :
> : > : > : >> :
> : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> : > : > : >> : > Hi all,
> : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail.
> : > : > : >> : > Angel
> : > : > : >> : >
> : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including setting
> : > email
> : > : > apps
> : > : > : >> to
> : > : > : >> : > only
> : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry
> about
> : > any
> : > : > : >> viruses
> : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If you
> get
> : > a
> : > : > POS
> : > : > : >> HTML
> : > : > : >> : > email
> : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source,
> then
> : > you
> : > : > can
> : > : > : >> change
> : > : > : >> : > to
> : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.)
> : > : > : >> : > :
> : > : > : >> : > : --
> : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune
> : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : > : > : >> : > : www.grystmill.com
> : > : > : >> : > :
> : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
> : > : > : >> : > : news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com...
> : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is very
> poor
> : > : > : >> software
> : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I
> wont
> : > even
> : > : > : >> allow
> : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire
> directory
> : > many
> : > : > : >> years
> : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email
> software
> : > as
> : > : > well
> : > : > : >> as
> : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as the
> newer
> : > : > : >> versions
> : > : > : >> of
> : > : > : >> : > : > Agent).
> : > : > : >> : > :
> : > : > : >> : >
> : > : > : >> : >
> : > : > : >> :
> : > : > : >>
> : > : > : >>
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : >
> : > : > :
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: What is Quick Time

Thought so, <eg>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u4ycUfjwIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top...
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts
> that
> | > indicates that.
> |
> | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish to
> | reside.
>
> CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market calls,
> investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for
> people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude,
> resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps,
> elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands of
> the
> select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this other
> lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh
> wait,
> that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has
> kept
> this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times since
> the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by foreign
> nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not
> Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no profit
> in
> it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their
> problem....
>
> So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the
> next
> thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been a
> few
> thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal technological
> usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and fill
> it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,, yep
> that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way....
>
> We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can eat
> ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the population
> like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the plan,
> whatyatink...
>
> |
> | > WHY would I post that in this group???
> | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and
> explain
> | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put
> material
> | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or rather
> | > attempt
> | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to "NOT"
> | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be clean...
> who
> | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been
> re-allocated,
> | > who
> | > cares....
> |
> | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And since
> when
>
> It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP. Seems
> that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of XP
> users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and
> viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP. AND
> changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of disks,
> how
> to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other
> useful
> items......
>
> | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid contributions?
> And
> | who DOES care, anyway?
> |
> | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it...
> | >
> | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR more....
> | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I HAVE
> run
> | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs,
> testing,
> | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it
> again...
> |
> | Have fun.
> |
> | > Are we done yet?
> |
> | Don't know, yet.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
>
> Apparently we aren't....
>
> |
> |
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but if
> you
> | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the things
> that
> | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy, yes.
> | > |
> | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative
> features
> | > and
> | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is
> plain
> | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and hit
> the
> | > high
> | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data.
> | > |
> | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I
> ALWAYS
> | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made to
> lie.
> | > |
> | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's leave
> off
> | > this
> | > | discussion, OK?
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring,
> Internet
> | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device
> monitoring,
> | > | > etc.,,,
> | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a bit
> | > more
> | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't
> it..
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > --
> | > | > _________
> | > | >
> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!! That
> | > leaves
> | > | > you
> | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy babble.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | --
> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle that
> | > format
> | > in
> | > | > | > some
> | > | > | > other player which IS being supported.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to
> foster
> | > the
> | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its
> just
> so
> | > | > good
> | > | > | > and
> | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is
> difficult
> | > to
> | > | > find
> | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows
> choice
> | > as
> | > | > XP,
> | > | > | > and
> | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the garbage
> spewed
> | > by
> | > | > | > media
> | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP which
> I
> | > DID
> | > | > spend
> | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good its,,,
> look
> | > HERE:
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > _________
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING
> installed
> on
> | > it
> | > | > at
> | > | > | > one
> | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their
> | > | > | > branding/helpful
> | > | > | > | software, etc.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play something?
> After
> | > all,
> | > | >
> | > | > | > what
> | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98
> itself.
> | > In
> | > | > | > fact,
> | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might
> actually
> | > | > listen.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | --
> | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for some
> time.
> | > It
> | > | > is
> | > | > a
> | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated.
> | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do not
> | > allow
> | > | > it
> | > | > | > access
> | > | > | > | > to the Internet.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed this
> for
> | > you?
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > | > _________
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com...
> | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote:
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is? Sygate
> | > says
> | > it
> | > | > was
> | > | > | > | > critical that I
> | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick Time,
> and
> | > I
> | > | > don't
> | > | > | > even
> | > | > | > | > remember what
> | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov and
> *.mp4
> | > | > files,
> | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it will
> also
> | > get
> | > | > you
> | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes
> (whether
> | > you
> | > | > have
> | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not).
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | --
> | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery
> | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User)
> | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov
> | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
> | > | > | > | >
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>
>
>

 

[Angel]

No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think I have
it.

Angel

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: You're fine, except you left out one very important app -- SypwareBlaster.
: You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date?
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS-MVP Shell/User
: www.grystmill.com
:
: "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
: > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We are
: > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says she
is
: > a
: > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she is
: > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very well
: > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new one.
I
: > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago.
: >
: > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I
: > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not updated
the
: > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use.
: >
: > Angel
: >
: > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy.
: > :
: > : --
: > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : www.grystmill.com
: > :
: > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to
subside.
: > : > Even
: > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a long
: > hall,
: > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not pessimistic
: > only
: > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean.
: > : >
: > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most of
: > the
: > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her sight. I
: > : > finally
: > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her off.
: > She
: > : > did
: > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't
give
: > up
: > : > easily neither.
: > : >
: > : > Angel
: > : >
: > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and has a
: > good
: > : > back
: > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort.
After
: > : > all,
: > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be
: > pessimistic,
: > : > but
: > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.)
: > : > :
: > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... I
used
: > to
: > : > do
: > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>.
: > : > :
: > : > : --
: > : > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : > : www.grystmill.com
: > : > :
: > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
: > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I never
: > would
: > : > try
: > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone IN
my
: > : > head!!
: > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!!
: > : > : >
: > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. My
cat
: > and
: > : > I
: > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the arm
of
: > the
: > : > : > office
: > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Angel
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try standing in
: > her
: > : > head,
: > : > : > : <eg>.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --
: > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : > : > : www.grystmill.com
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
: > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or
towel
: > in
: > : > : > front
: > : > : > of
: > : > : > : > you at the
: > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. Of
: > course,
: > : > : > laying
: > : > : > : > down with
: > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you to do
: > that.
: > : > : > Sorry
: > : > : > : > for your
: > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N.
: > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: > : > : > : >> Hi Gary,
: > : > : > : >>
: > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long at
a
: > : > time.
: > : > : > Still
: > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle swells
: > up
: > : > quite
: > : > : > a
: > : > : > : >> bit.
: > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to keep
the
: > : > : > swelling
: > : > : > : >> down,
: > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head?
: > : > : > : >>
: > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and follow
the
: > : > : > directions
: > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you get
the
: > : > mail,
: > : > : > you
: > : > : > : >> can
: > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top of
: > the
: > : > email
: > : > : > and
: > : > : > : >> hit
: > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY!
: > : > : > : >>
: > : > : > : >> Angel
: > : > : > : >>
: > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about Yahoo!
: > Mail.
: > : > : > : >> :
: > : > : > : >> : --
: > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune
: > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : > : > : >> : www.grystmill.com
: > : > : > : >> :
: > : > : > : >> :
: > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: > : > : > : >> : > Hi all,
: > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail.
: > : > : > : >> : > Angel
: > : > : > : >> : >
: > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including
setting
: > : > email
: > : > : > apps
: > : > : > : >> to
: > : > : > : >> : > only
: > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to worry
: > about
: > : > any
: > : > : > : >> viruses
: > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If
you
: > get
: > : > a
: > : > : > POS
: > : > : > : >> HTML
: > : > : > : >> : > email
: > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source,
: > then
: > : > you
: > : > : > can
: > : > : > : >> change
: > : > : > : >> : > to
: > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.)
: > : > : > : >> : > :
: > : > : > : >> : > : --
: > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune
: > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: > : > : > : >> : > : www.grystmill.com
: > : > : > : >> : > :
: > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > : >> : > : news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com...
: > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is
very
: > poor
: > : > : > : >> software
: > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your computer. I
: > wont
: > : > even
: > : > : > : >> allow
: > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire
: > directory
: > : > many
: > : > : > : >> years
: > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email
: > software
: > : > as
: > : > : > well
: > : > : > : >> as
: > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as the
: > newer
: > : > : > : >> versions
: > : > : > : >> of
: > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent).
: > : > : > : >> : > :
: > : > : > : >> : >
: > : > : > : >> : >
: > : > : > : >> :
: > : > : > : >>
: > : > : > : >>
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > :
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: >
: >
:

 

[Angel]

Yes Gary,
I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the
instructions. I read the text but have to read it again.
Angel

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
: No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think I have
: it.
:
: Angel
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: : You're fine, except you left out one very important app --
SypwareBlaster.
: : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date?
: :
: : --
: : Gary S. Terhune
: : MS-MVP Shell/User
: : www.grystmill.com
: :
: : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
: : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We are
: : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says she
: is
: : > a
: : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she is
: : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very well
: : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new
one.
: I
: : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago.
: : >
: : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I
: : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not updated
: the
: : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use.
: : >
: : > Angel
: : >
: : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy.
: : > :
: : > : --
: : > : Gary S. Terhune
: : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: : > : www.grystmill.com
: : > :
: : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to
: subside.
: : > : > Even
: : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a
long
: : > hall,
: : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not
pessimistic
: : > only
: : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean.
: : > : >
: : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most
of
: : > the
: : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her sight.
I
: : > : > finally
: : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her
off.
: : > She
: : > : > did
: : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't
: give
: : > up
: : > : > easily neither.
: : > : >
: : > : > Angel
: : > : >
: : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and has
a
: : > good
: : > : > back
: : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort.
: After
: : > : > all,
: : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be
: : > pessimistic,
: : > : > but
: : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.)
: : > : > :
: : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head... I
: used
: : > to
: : > : > do
: : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>.
: : > : > :
: : > : > : --
: : > : > : Gary S. Terhune
: : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: : > : > : www.grystmill.com
: : > : > :
: : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
: : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I
never
: : > would
: : > : > try
: : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone IN
: my
: : > : > head!!
: : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!!
: : > : > : >
: : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer. My
: cat
: : > and
: : > : > I
: : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the arm
: of
: : > the
: : > : > : > office
: : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some.
: : > : > : >
: : > : > : > Angel
: : > : > : >
: : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try standing
in
: : > her
: : > : > head,
: : > : > : > : <eg>.
: : > : > : > :
: : > : > : > : --
: : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune
: : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: : > : > : > : www.grystmill.com
: : > : > : > :
: : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
: : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
: : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or
: towel
: : > in
: : > : > : > front
: : > : > : > of
: : > : > : > : > you at the
: : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart. Of
: : > course,
: : > : > : > laying
: : > : > : > : > down with
: : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you to
do
: : > that.
: : > : > : > Sorry
: : > : > : > : > for your
: : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N.
: : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary,
: : > : > : > : >>
: : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long
at
: a
: : > : > time.
: : > : > : > Still
: : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle
swells
: : > up
: : > : > quite
: : > : > : > a
: : > : > : > : >> bit.
: : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to keep
: the
: : > : > : > swelling
: : > : > : > : >> down,
: : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head?
: : > : > : > : >>
: : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and follow
: the
: : > : > : > directions
: : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you get
: the
: : > : > mail,
: : > : > : > you
: : > : > : > : >> can
: : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top
of
: : > the
: : > : > email
: : > : > : > and
: : > : > : > : >> hit
: : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY!
: : > : > : > : >>
: : > : > : > : >> Angel
: : > : > : > : >>
: : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about
Yahoo!
: : > Mail.
: : > : > : > : >> :
: : > : > : > : >> : --
: : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune
: : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User
: : > : > : > : >> : www.grystmill.com
: : > : > : > : >> :
: : > : > : > : >> :
: : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
: : > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all,
: : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail.
: : > : > : > : >> : > Angel
: : > : > : > : >> : >
: : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
: : > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
: : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including
: setting
: : > : > email
: : > : > : > apps
: : > : > : > : >> to
: : > : > : > : >> : > only
: : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to
worry
: : > about
: : > : > any
: : > : > : > : >> viruses
: : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use. If
: you
: : > get
: : > : > a
: : > : > : > POS
: : > : > : > : >> HTML
: : > : > : > : >> : > email
: : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the source,
: : > then
: : > : > you
: : > : > : > can
: : > : > : > : >> change
: : > : > : > : >> : > to
: : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.)
: : > : > : > : >> : > :
: : > : > : > : >> : > : --
: : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune
: : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
: : > : > : > : >> : > : www.grystmill.com
: : > : > : > : >> : > :
: : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
: : > : > : > : >> : > : news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com...
: : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is
: very
: : > poor
: : > : > : > : >> software
: : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your computer.
I
: : > wont
: : > : > even
: : > : > : > : >> allow
: : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire
: : > directory
: : > : > many
: : > : > : > : >> years
: : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another email
: : > software
: : > : > as
: : > : > : > well
: : > : > : > : >> as
: : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as
the
: : > newer
: : > : > : > : >> versions
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[Gary S. Terhune]

Might want to make sure it's the latest version, 4.0, then install it. It's
pretty straight-forward. Requires a restart. Then run the app, and in the
Welcome dialog, click Next, choose Manual Updating, click Next, then click
Finish.

Now, click Updates on the left column, then the Check for Updates button.
When the updating finishes, click on Protection Status at left and then at
the bottom, under Quick Tasks, Enable All Protection.

Do that every week or two.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
news:%2310SGjqwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Yes Gary,
> I found it, but I never installed it. I have to figure out the
> instructions. I read the text but have to read it again.
> Angel
>
> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> news:eg%23zpGqwIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> : No Gary, I do not have SypwareBlaster installed. I don't even think I
> have
> : it.
> :
> : Angel
> :
> : "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : news:Od9njRpwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : : You're fine, except you left out one very important app --
> SypwareBlaster.
> : : You DO have that installed, don't you? And you keep it up to date?
> : :
> : : --
> : : Gary S. Terhune
> : : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : : www.grystmill.com
> : :
> : : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : : news:%23Fraq3owIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> : : > Yeah Gary, she sure could use the exercise. Send them anytime. We
> are
> : : > beginning to call her "Fat Cat" instead of "Streaker". George says
> she
> : is
> : : > a
> : : > Bowling Ball with legs! She was fat when I got her. Right now, she
> is
> : : > sleeping on my old Contour chair. The chair does not adjust very
> well
> : : > anymore, most of the time it only has one position. It needs a new
> one.
> : I
> : : > bought it long before I retired 16 years ago.
> : : >
> : : > I uninstalled the AdAware last night. So far, no problems because I
> : : > uninstalled it. I still have Avast! and Spybot 1.4. I have not
> updated
> : the
> : : > Spybot lately. I just don't know which updates to use.
> : : >
> : : > Angel
> : : >
> : : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : : > news:%23sy$sobwIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> : : > : I can send you a poodle or two to chase teh cat. Keep it busy.
> : : > :
> : : > : --
> : : > : Gary S. Terhune
> : : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : : > : www.grystmill.com
> : : > :
> : : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : : > : news:uXJrWPZwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : : > : > Yes, I already knew that it will take a while for the pain to
> : subside.
> : : > : > Even
> : : > : > the pain pills don't work that well. Gary, I am prepared for a
> long
> : : > hall,
> : : > : > but you know I do not give up or in easily. You are not
> pessimistic
> : : > only
> : : > : > truthful. This is no picnic, if you know what I mean.
> : : > : >
> : : > : > My cat is on the footstool I am trying to use. She takes up most
> of
> : : > the
> : : > : > footstool. Since I got home, she does not let me out of her
> sight.
> I
> : : > : > finally
> : : > : > got her to move off the stool. How? I picked her up and put her
> off.
> : : > She
> : : > : > did
> : : > : > not accept that. I had to do it again. She is stubborn and don't
> : give
> : : > up
> : : > : > easily neither.
> : : > : >
> : : > : > Angel
> : : > : >
> : : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : : > : > news:eeK3b$RwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : : > : > : Sounds like you need someone who can follow instructions and
> has
> a
> : : > good
> : : > : > back
> : : > : > : to get in there and help you rearrange things to your comfort.
> : After
> : : > : > all,
> : : > : > : these pains aren't going to go away real soon (sorry to be
> : : > pessimistic,
> : : > : > but
> : : > : > : I'd rather you got comfy ASAP.)
> : : > : > :
> : : > : > : As for standing on one's head while standing in one's head...
> I
> : used
> : : > to
> : : > : > do
> : : > : > : that on a regular basis, <bg>.
> : : > : > :
> : : > : > : --
> : : > : > : Gary S. Terhune
> : : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : : > : > : www.grystmill.com
> : : > : > :
> : : > : > : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : : > : > : news:ucwOR8RwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> : : > : > : > Gary, how would that be possible! "Standing in my head"? I
> never
> : : > would
> : : > : > try
> : : > : > : > that! I don't even think I could stand ON my head not alone
> IN
> : my
> : : > : > head!!
> : : > : > : > Have you tried it? HaHaHa!!
> : : > : > : >
> : : > : > : > I do use a foot stool, when I can in front of the computer.
> My
> : cat
> : : > and
> : : > : > I
> : : > : > : > argue over it. She decided to take it over. I also use the
> arm
> : of
> : : > the
> : : > : > : > office
> : : > : > : > chair for my arm, it relieves the shoulder pain some.
> : : > : > : >
> : : > : > : > Angel
> : : > : > : >
> : : > : > : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : : > : > : > news:e0vC6MRwIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> : : > : > : > : Knowing Angel the way I do, I think she should try
> standing
> in
> : : > her
> : : > : > head,
> : : > : > : > : <eg>.
> : : > : > : > :
> : : > : > : > : --
> : : > : > : > : Gary S. Terhune
> : : > : > : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : : > : > : > : www.grystmill.com
> : : > : > : > :
> : : > : > : > : "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> : : > : > : > : news:483dd8cc$0$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> : : > : > : > : > Angel, If you just put a ottoman or stool with pillow or
> : towel
> : : > in
> : : > : > : > front
> : : > : > : > of
> : : > : > : > : > you at the
> : : > : > : > : > computer, it can work just as well as above the heart.
> Of
> : : > course,
> : : > : > : > laying
> : : > : > : > : > down with
> : : > : > : > : > feet elevated is optimal but no one really expects you
> to
> do
> : : > that.
> : : > : > : > Sorry
> : : > : > : > : > for your
> : : > : > : > : > problems. Ginny R.N.
> : : > : > : > : > "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : : > : > : > : > news:%23la3KVQwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> : : > : > : > : >> Hi Gary,
> : : > : > : > : >>
> : : > : > : > : >> Doing pretty good. Don't stay on the computer very long
> at
> : a
> : : > : > time.
> : : > : > : > Still
> : : > : > : > : >> trouble with the shoulder not cooperating. The ankle
> swells
> : : > up
> : : > : > quite
> : : > : > : > a
> : : > : > : > : >> bit.
> : : > : > : > : >> Supposed to keep the leg elevated above the heart to
> keep
> : the
> : : > : > : > swelling
> : : > : > : > : >> down,
> : : > : > : > : >> yeah right! Should I stand on my head?
> : : > : > : > : >>
> : : > : > : > : >> When you go to yahoo! mail, you go to Options and
> follow
> : the
> : : > : > : > directions
> : : > : > : > : >> under Preferences and you get it in text and when you
> get
> : the
> : : > : > mail,
> : : > : > : > you
> : : > : > : > : >> can
> : : > : > : > : >> go to the bottom of the page and hit HTML or at the top
> of
> : : > the
> : : > : > email
> : : > : > : > and
> : : > : > : > : >> hit
> : : > : > : > : >> the show images. EASY!
> : : > : > : > : >>
> : : > : > : > : >> Angel
> : : > : > : > : >>
> : : > : > : > : >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : : > : > : > : >> news:%23gbu8CHwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> : : > : > : > : >> : Hi, Angel! How ya doin'? I didn't know that about
> Yahoo!
> : : > Mail.
> : : > : > : > : >> :
> : : > : > : > : >> : --
> : : > : > : > : >> : Gary S. Terhune
> : : > : > : > : >> : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : : > : > : > : >> : www.grystmill.com
> : : > : > : > : >> :
> : : > : > : > : >> :
> : : > : > : > : >> : "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message
> : : > : > : > : >> : news:%23IMYJiEwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> : : > : > : > : >> : > Hi all,
> : : > : > : > : >> : > You can also use that method in the yahoo web mail.
> : : > : > : > : >> : > Angel
> : : > : > : > : >> : >
> : : > : > : > : >> : > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> : : > : > : > : >> : > news:OThQZYDwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : If you follow proper security habits, including
> : setting
> : : > : > email
> : : > : > : > apps
> : : > : > : > : >> to
> : : > : > : > : >> : > only
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : read messages in Plain Text, you never have to
> worry
> : : > about
> : : > : > any
> : : > : > : > : >> viruses
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : getting in. Doesn't matter what client you use.
> If
> : you
> : : > get
> : : > : > a
> : : > : > : > POS
> : : > : > : > : >> HTML
> : : > : > : > : >> : > email
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : that can't be read in PT, and you trust the
> source,
> : : > then
> : : > : > you
> : : > : > : > can
> : : > : > : > : >> change
> : : > : > : > : >> : > to
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : view in HTML (in OE, anyway.)
> : : > : > : > : >> : > :
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : --
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : Gary S. Terhune
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : MS-MVP Shell/User
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : www.grystmill.com
> : : > : > : > : >> : > :
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
> : : > : > : > : >> : > :
> news:2ooo34t082va22nc9rv0np3cr5sf9ckjhm@4ax.com...
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : > I should have mentioned that Outlook Express is
> : very
> : : > poor
> : : > : > : > : >> software
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that will allow viruses to infect your
> computer.
> I
> : : > wont
> : : > : > even
> : : > : > : > : >> allow
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : > that POS on my computer. I deleted the entire
> : : > directory
> : : > : > many
> : : > : > : > : >> years
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : > ago. I'd highly recommend finding another
> email
> : : > software
> : : > : > as
> : : > : > : > well
> : : > : > : > : >> as
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : > another usenet software. (some do both, such as
> the
> : : > newer
> : : > : > : > : >> versions
> : : > : > : > : >> of
> : : > : > : > : >> : > : > Agent).
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>

 

[CdLSRN]

Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time

I'm sorry. I meant to say 'Sygate' not Avast. Would you be able to help me
set up Avast to block where QT is allowed to go?

Maurice said:
" because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and a
> little bit of typing knowledge which is only what most general usage
> Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance,
> that's a statement of plain fact"

BS. - Sounds like arrogance to me. That's not to cut you down, that's just a
statement of plain fact. Ginny

----- Original Message -----






"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eRW8bGowIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Oh I'm sorry, I saw where you needed QT locally, and I can see why.
>
> It isn't AVAST you use, but your software firewall. That is the key feature
> of a software firewall, hardware firewalls are unable to *completely*
> monitor running processes.
>
> The version of QT you use isn't really important, AS LONG AS ITS BLOCKED
> and only used locally, *or* just like for any program, IS important [use the
> last supported version] IF Internet usage, but only allowed access to the
> actual sites necessary/which require its use, AND you can't live without
> them AND they are *clean* sites..
>
> Now, there are some other programs which provide .mov and other QT
> extension playback, or creation or conversion, via pluggins or other. I
> can't recommend one as I stopped that usage a long time ago as I found no
> real need for it.
>
> Your best bet, however, is to convert those irreplaceable *.mov to another
> format for use in something you already have installed, that's usually
> Windows Media player.
> That also makes it a little bit easier to configure your firewall, as you
> don't have to configure *many* applications and their access, and can keep
> your firewall rules in a small, tightly configured, manner. Security is
> based upon YOUR ability to control what goes on with the help of security
> software, and settings,
>
> In example: I still use IE6 for testing purposes, but its access to port
> 443 is NOT configured for general use. That port is now called by some sites
> to push advertising and other scripts and code. Only sites which I know and
> use have been allowed access AND I am notified when it IS used or attempted
> at use either IN or OUT, I still have to manually allow it. The other
> testing browsers I use {Opera, FireFox, SeaMonkey} have also been limited.
> FYI: that port is supposedly only for secure/trusted use and has a higher
> level of system access if allowed.
>
> The same is applied for all programs for which this can be done, such as
> mail programs, news readers, players, etc.. THEY don't control access and
> use, I DO with a little help. EVERTHING is defined and controlled as best as
> possible. This isn't done by default in ANY Microsoft OS, even the new ones,
> because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and a
> little bit of typing knowledge which is only what most general usage
> Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance,
> that's a statement of plain fact
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:48401faf$0$25031$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | Maurice, I don't need Quick Time for the bank. When I uninstalled it, I
> was able to
> | do my banking just fine. I wouldn't want anything "unsafe" running with my
> bank
> | sessions.
> | I'm guessing from the conversation that there is no replacement for Quick
> Time to
> | run .MOV. I am able to run .mpg videos on 'Windows Media Player'. But
> when I click
> | my .mov it says it needs "PLAY32.EXE". Is that all I need? Maybe I don't
> need Quick
> | Time.
> | But if I do, are you familiar with how to set up Avast to LIMIT, via
> the
> | firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE? Ginny
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:OQwUxXiwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI
> | > reminders.
> | > You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE.
> Same as
> | > for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then
> that's
> | > what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local
> materials,
> | > then it gets no outside access...
> | > As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what, that
> | > LIMITS what hacks can be used...
> | >
> | > 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with a
> little
> | > thought applied.
> | >
> | > As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily, they
> | > aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I suppose
> such
> | > was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da tv,
> dis
> | > be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast...
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend not
> | > running
> | > | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of people
> use
> | > | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at
> hand,
> | > | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old camera
> with
> | > no
> | > | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And she
> has
> | > | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart...
> | > |
> | > | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is, or
> update
> | > | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of that
> | > | update.
> | > |
> | > | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these days?
> | > |
> | > | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be
> forced to
> | > | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total new
> | > learning
> | > | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend?
> | > |
> | > | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications when
> | > | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the
> first
> | > | place.
> | > |
> | > | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one the
> | > works
> | > | on 9x.
> | > |
> | > | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords? Live
> in
> | > | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in software
> that
> | > | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation?
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this group on
> | > | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives or
> | > | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and
> elsewhere..
> | > | >
> | > | > REFERENCE
> | > | > National Cyber Alert System
> | > | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A
> | > | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities
> | > | > Original release date: April 3, 2008
> | > | >
> | > | > SEE ALSO:
> | > | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" - MEB
> | > | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses
> [consider
> | > with
> | > | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still
> | > vulnerable].
> | > | > AND:
> | > | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here
> | > 03-07-2008
> | > | > if you intend to use SUN.
> | > | > ,
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > --
> | > | > _________
> | > | >
> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells you
> up
> | > | > front
> | > | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it was
> | > released
> | > | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts
> today.
> | > | > What
> | > | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the places
> I'd
> | > | > expect
> | > | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of
> stuff.
> | > | > Gotta
> | > | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions 4 &
> | > 5...
> | > | > All
> | > | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for Search to
> | > | > complete
> | > | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups, etc.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | --
> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I
> stopped
> | > | > there,
> | > | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the case)
> | > with
> | > | > the
> | > | > | >newer versions.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | > | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I
> can.
> | > What
> | > | > | >> you've
> | > | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that MEB
> was
> | > | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that will
> | > still
> | > | > run
> | > | > | >> on
> | > | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my 98
> box
> | > so
> | > | > I
> | > | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its
> | > | > installation,
> | > | > | >> etc.
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and that
> it
> | > | > works
> | > | > | >> with
> | > | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to find
> it.
> | > | > | >> Assuming I
> | > | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly was
> one
> | > I
> | > | > | >> downloaded in late '05.)
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >> --
> | > | > | >> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | >> www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE
> | > | > downloaded
> | > | > it
> | > | > | >>> and ran it
> | > | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the QTW32DEL.EXE
> | > that
> | > | > was
> | > | > | >>> missing. Now
> | > | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my add/remove
> | > | > programs
> | > | > | >>> and in
> | > | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my movies
> are
> | > | > | >>> playing
> | > | > | >>> well,
> | > | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it alone
> as
> | > I
> | > | > am
> | > | > | >>> sure there are
> | > | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get rid
> of
> | > it
> | > | > | >>> without hurting
> | > | > | >>> Quick Time 32.
> | > | > | >>>
> | > | > | >>>
> | > | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting wherever
> you
> | > | > feel
> | > | > | >>>> like
> | > | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but it's
> your
> | > | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to respond
> to.
> | > If
> | > | > you
> | > | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of this
> | > thread
> | > | > | >>>> ("IE
> | > | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your "I'm
> lost"
> | > | > post.
> | > | > | >>>> While
> | > | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original
> issue,
> | > | > you're
> | > | > | >>>> now
> | > | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT thread.
> No
> | > | > need
> | > | > | >>>> to
> | > | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this sub-thread.
> | > | > | >>>>
> | > | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today and
> some
> | > in
> | > | > | >>>> depth,
> | > | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the part
> of
> | > | > others.
> | > | > | >>>> I
> | > | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And
> because
> | > you
> | > | > | >>>> posted
> | > | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong, *I*
> have
> | > | > to
> | > | > go
> | > | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding MSXML
> | > | > update,
> | > | > | >>>> etc.,
> | > | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your
> question(s)
> | > | > there.
> | > | > | >>>>
> | > | > | >>>> --
> | > | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | >>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | >>>>
> | > | > | >>>>
> | > | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings.
> | > | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to
> delete.
> | > I
> | > | > | >>>>> need
> | > | > | >>>>> it
> | > | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please.
> | > | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit
> add/remove
> | > | > | >>>>> programs
> | > | > | >>>>> it
> | > | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I attach my
> | > | > digital
> | > | > | >>>>> camera
> | > | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k.
> | > | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It
> only
> | > | > gives
> | > | > | >>>>> the
> | > | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs) and it
> | > says
> | > | > that
> | > | > | >>>>> I
> | > | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that.
> | > | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I
> should
> | > | > | >>>>> uninstall
> | > | > | >>>>> and
> | > | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files.
> | > | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an option
> to
> | > | > | >>>>> uninstall?
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> | > | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none>
> | > | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
> | > | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM
> | > | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking
> about.
> | > You
> | > | > | >>>>>> should
> | > | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't require
> it.
> | > | > Might
> | > | > | >>>>>> just
> | > | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link to
> the
> | > | > last
> | > | > | >>>>>> version
> | > | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.)
> | > | > | >>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>> --
> | > | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | >>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | >>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online again.
> I
> | > | > will
> | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that
> | > | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk).
> | > | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel. Q
> time
> | > | > says
> | > | > if
> | > | > | >>>>>>> I
> | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I
> | > | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the
> | > slightest
> | > | > | >>>>>>> idea
> | > | > | >>>>> what
> | > | > | >>>>>>> it came
> | > | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start.
> Further
> | > | > | >>>>>>> investigation
> | > | > | >>>>>>> shows that
> | > | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It says
> it is
> | > | > for
> | > | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND
> | > QTW32EEL.EXE....which
> | > | > is
> | > | > | >>>>>>> why
> | > | > | >>>>>>> I
> | > | > | >>>>>>> can't open
> | > | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I don't
> know
> | > | > what
> | > | > | >>>>>>> CD
> | > | > | >>>>> it
> | > | > | >>>>>>> would be on
> | > | > | >>>>>>> to re-install.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I can
> get
> | > | > online.
> | > | > | >>>>>>> Gin
> | > | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you
> might
> | > | > want
> | > | > to
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> consider:
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that includes
> the
> | > | > SDK.
> | > | > If
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> you're
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that includes
> MSXML
> | > | > and
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> post
> | > | > | >>>>> it
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get:
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch:
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> --
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all
> created
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB,
> msxml4a.dll
> | > is
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5
> | > | > | >>>>> KB.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here
> unclear
> | > | > about
> | > | > | >>>>>> how
> | > | > | >>>>>> to do
> | > | > | >>>>> this
> | > | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe (file
> | > | > version
> | > | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I
> | > | > | >>>>> typed
> | > | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this MSXML
> 4.0
> | > | > Service
> | > | > | >>>>>> Pack2
> | > | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I
> | > | > downloaded.
> | > | > Is
> | > | > | >>>>>> that the
> | > | > | >>>>> first
> | > | > | >>>>>> one or the second one??
> | > | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall from
> my
> | > | > | >>>>>> system???
> | > | > | >>>>>> I am
> | > | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin
> | > | > | >>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank.
> *Everything*
> | > you
> | > | > do
> | > | > | >>>>>>> for
> | > | > | >>>>>>> a
> | > | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program you
> | > | > recognize,
> | > | > | >>>>>>> then,
> | > | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice but
> to
> | > | > trust
> | > | > | >>>>>>> that
> | > | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the update
> to
> | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's
> | > | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when it
> says
> | > | > | >>>>>>> "change"
> | > | > | >>>>>>> it
> | > | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you are
> | > expected
> | > | > to
> | > | > | >>>>>>> be
> | > | > | >>>>>>> able
> | > | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update
> Sygate
> | > | > | >>>>>>> appropriately.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is
> being
> | > | > cited,
> | > | > | >>>>>>> like
> | > | > | >>>>>>> you
> | > | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do some
> | > | > research.
> | > | > | >>>>>>> But try
> | > | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff you
> read
> | > | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere
> | > | > | >>>>>>> using
> | > | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case there's
> an
> | > | > | >>>>>>> important
> | > | > | >>>>>>> (or
> | > | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to that
> | > advice
> | > | > in
> | > | > | >>>>>>> the
> | > | > | >>>>>>> near
> | > | > | >>>>>>> future.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you should
> have
> | > | > | >>>>>>> learned
> | > | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old IS
> that
> | > | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime
> | > | > | >>>>>>> of
> | > | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and then
> | > install
> | > | > the
> | > | > | >>>>>>> latest
> | > | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way, Sygate
> is
> | > | > teaching
> | > | > | >>>>>>> you,
> | > | > | >>>>>>> too.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>> --
> | > | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | >>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | >>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply dont know if
> it is
> | > | > o.k.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> to
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> allow
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> every
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and
> Outlook
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> it is
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my
> business.
> | > But
> | > | > it
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> seems to
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> me we
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that
> didn't
> | > | > belong
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> and
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> putting in
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple. Do I
> | > allow
> | > | > my
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> Internet
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It is
> Sygate
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> me that
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed that
> before
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate,
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> my
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> programs
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making any
> | > sense?
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items
> that
> | > are
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> using a
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound like
> | > plugins
> | > | > and
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> they
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> are
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit and
> | > 32-bit),
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> installed
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> by
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in
> | > Internet
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check
> against
> | > my
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> system
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> as I
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> am
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs
> you,
> | > just
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can
> always
> | > go
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> back
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand having
> to
> | > | > train
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> that
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that
> process,
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You already
> | > have
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> decent
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that firewall
> | > isn't
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> done
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> --
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet
> Options.
> | > I
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> have
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer some
> money
> | > | > to
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> my
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> son
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> and
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> another
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the
> | > following
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> list)
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> of
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to access
> the
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet."
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet
> Explorer
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> while
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to continue.
> I
> | > | > would
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I
> don't
> | > know
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> what
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get into
> my
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the wrong
> side
> | > | > of
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it
> seems.
> | > | > Though
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it comes
> to
> | > his
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP.
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> --
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
>
>

 

[MEB]

Re: What is Quick Time

And that's EXACTLY how one would expect you to respond....

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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23r4dSTpwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| Thought so, <eg>.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:u4ycUfjwIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top...
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts
| > that
| > | > indicates that.
| > |
| > | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish to
| > | reside.
| >
| > CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market
calls,
| > investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for
| > people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude,
| > resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps,
| > elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands of
| > the
| > select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this
other
| > lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh
| > wait,
| > that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has
| > kept
| > this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times
since
| > the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by
foreign
| > nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not
| > Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no profit
| > in
| > it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their
| > problem....
| >
| > So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the
| > next
| > thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been a
| > few
| > thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal technological
| > usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and
fill
| > it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,, yep
| > that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way....
| >
| > We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can
eat
| > ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the
population
| > like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the
plan,
| > whatyatink...
| >
| > |
| > | > WHY would I post that in this group???
| > | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and
| > explain
| > | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put
| > material
| > | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or rather
| > | > attempt
| > | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to
"NOT"
| > | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be clean...
| > who
| > | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been
| > re-allocated,
| > | > who
| > | > cares....
| > |
| > | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And since
| > when
| >
| > It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP.
Seems
| > that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of
XP
| > users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and
| > viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP.
AND
| > changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of disks,
| > how
| > to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other
| > useful
| > items......
| >
| > | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid
contributions?
| > And
| > | who DOES care, anyway?
| > |
| > | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it...
| > | >
| > | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR more....
| > | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I HAVE
| > run
| > | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs,
| > testing,
| > | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it
| > again...
| > |
| > | Have fun.
| > |
| > | > Are we done yet?
| > |
| > | Don't know, yet.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| >
| > Apparently we aren't....
| >
| > |
| > |
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but
if
| > you
| > | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the things
| > that
| > | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy, yes.
| > | > |
| > | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative
| > features
| > | > and
| > | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is
| > plain
| > | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and
hit
| > the
| > | > high
| > | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data.
| > | > |
| > | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I
| > ALWAYS
| > | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made to
| > lie.
| > | > |
| > | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's leave
| > off
| > | > this
| > | > | discussion, OK?
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring,
| > Internet
| > | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device
| > monitoring,
| > | > | > etc.,,,
| > | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a
bit
| > | > more
| > | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't
| > it..
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > _________
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!!
That
| > | > leaves
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy babble.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle that
| > | > format
| > | > in
| > | > | > | > some
| > | > | > | > other player which IS being supported.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to
| > foster
| > | > the
| > | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its
| > just
| > so
| > | > | > good
| > | > | > | > and
| > | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is
| > difficult
| > | > to
| > | > | > find
| > | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows
| > choice
| > | > as
| > | > | > XP,
| > | > | > | > and
| > | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the garbage
| > spewed
| > | > by
| > | > | > | > media
| > | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP
which
| > I
| > | > DID
| > | > | > spend
| > | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good its,,,
| > look
| > | > HERE:
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again...
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > _________
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING
| > installed
| > on
| > | > it
| > | > | > at
| > | > | > | > one
| > | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their
| > | > | > | > branding/helpful
| > | > | > | > | software, etc.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play something?
| > After
| > | > all,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > what
| > | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98
| > itself.
| > | > In
| > | > | > | > fact,
| > | > | > | > I
| > | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might
| > actually
| > | > | > listen.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for some
| > time.
| > | > It
| > | > | > is
| > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated.
| > | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do
not
| > | > allow
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | > access
| > | > | > | > | > to the Internet.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed this
| > for
| > | > you?
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > | > _________
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com...
| > | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote:
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is?
Sygate
| > | > says
| > | > it
| > | > | > was
| > | > | > | > | > critical that I
| > | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick
Time,
| > and
| > | > I
| > | > | > don't
| > | > | > | > even
| > | > | > | > | > remember what
| > | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov and
| > *.mp4
| > | > | > files,
| > | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it
will
| > also
| > | > get
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes
| > (whether
| > | > you
| > | > | > have
| > | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not).
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery
| > | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User)
| > | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov
| > | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
| > | > | > | > | >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| >
| >
| >
|

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: What is Quick Time

Yeah, well I knew that was exactly the way you'd eventually respond, so
we're even.

Dreamer.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uBHGSurwIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> And that's EXACTLY how one would expect you to respond....
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%23r4dSTpwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | Thought so, <eg>.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:u4ycUfjwIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top...
> | >
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my posts
> | > that
> | > | > indicates that.
> | > |
> | > | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish
> to
> | > | reside.
> | >
> | > CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market
> calls,
> | > investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern for
> | > people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE attitude,
> | > resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps,
> | > elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands
> of
> | > the
> | > select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this
> other
> | > lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,, oh
> | > wait,
> | > that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it has
> | > kept
> | > this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times
> since
> | > the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by
> foreign
> | > nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back, not
> | > Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no
> profit
> | > in
> | > it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's their
> | > problem....
> | >
> | > So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend the
> | > next
> | > thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only been
> a
> | > few
> | > thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal
> technological
> | > usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life and
> fill
> | > it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,,
> yep
> | > that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way....
> | >
> | > We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we can
> eat
> | > ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the
> population
> | > like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the
> plan,
> | > whatyatink...
> | >
> | > |
> | > | > WHY would I post that in this group???
> | > | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss and
> | > explain
> | > | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put
> | > material
> | > | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or
> rather
> | > | > attempt
> | > | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to
> "NOT"
> | > | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be
> clean...
> | > who
> | > | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been
> | > re-allocated,
> | > | > who
> | > | > cares....
> | > |
> | > | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And
> since
> | > when
> | >
> | > It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP.
> Seems
> | > that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number of
> XP
> | > users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and
> | > viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of XP.
> AND
> | > changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of
> disks,
> | > how
> | > to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several other
> | > useful
> | > items......
> | >
> | > | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid
> contributions?
> | > And
> | > | who DOES care, anyway?
> | > |
> | > | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post it...
> | > | >
> | > | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR
> more....
> | > | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I
> HAVE
> | > run
> | > | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs,
> | > testing,
> | > | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it
> | > again...
> | > |
> | > | Have fun.
> | > |
> | > | > Are we done yet?
> | > |
> | > | Don't know, yet.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | >
> | > Apparently we aren't....
> | >
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot, but
> if
> | > you
> | > | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the
> things
> | > that
> | > | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy,
> yes.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative
> | > features
> | > | > and
> | > | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP is
> | > plain
> | > | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize and
> hit
> | > the
> | > | > high
> | > | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and I
> | > ALWAYS
> | > | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or made
> to
> | > lie.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's
> leave
> | > off
> | > | > this
> | > | > | discussion, OK?
> | > | > |
> | > | > | --
> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network monitoring,
> | > Internet
> | > | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device
> | > monitoring,
> | > | > | > etc.,,,
> | > | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me a
> bit
> | > | > more
> | > | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy wouldn't
> | > it..
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > _________
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using? ROTFLMAO!!!
> That
> | > | > leaves
> | > | > | > you
> | > | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy
> babble.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | --
> | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle
> that
> | > | > format
> | > | > in
> | > | > | > | > some
> | > | > | > | > other player which IS being supported.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt to
> | > foster
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because its
> | > just
> | > so
> | > | > | > good
> | > | > | > | > and
> | > | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is
> | > difficult
> | > | > to
> | > | > | > find
> | > | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable Windows
> | > choice
> | > | > as
> | > | > | > XP,
> | > | > | > | > and
> | > | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the
> garbage
> | > spewed
> | > | > by
> | > | > | > | > media
> | > | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP
> which
> | > I
> | > | > DID
> | > | > | > spend
> | > | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good
> its,,,
> | > look
> | > | > HERE:
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again...
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > | > _________
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING
> | > installed
> | > on
> | > | > it
> | > | > | > at
> | > | > | > | > one
> | > | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and their
> | > | > | > | > branding/helpful
> | > | > | > | > | software, etc.
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play
> something?
> | > After
> | > | > all,
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > what
> | > | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about Win98
> | > itself.
> | > | > In
> | > | > | > | > fact,
> | > | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might
> | > actually
> | > | > | > listen.
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | --
> | > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for
> some
> | > time.
> | > | > It
> | > | > | > is
> | > | > | > a
> | > | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated.
> | > | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online, do
> not
> | > | > allow
> | > | > | > it
> | > | > | > | > access
> | > | > | > | > | > to the Internet.
> | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed
> this
> | > for
> | > | > you?
> | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > | > | > _________
> | > | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com...
> | > | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote:
> | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is?
> Sygate
> | > | > says
> | > | > it
> | > | > | > was
> | > | > | > | > | > critical that I
> | > | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick
> Time,
> | > and
> | > | > I
> | > | > | > don't
> | > | > | > | > even
> | > | > | > | > | > remember what
> | > | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny
> | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov
> and
> | > *.mp4
> | > | > | > files,
> | > | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it
> will
> | > also
> | > | > get
> | > | > | > you
> | > | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes
> | > (whether
> | > | > you
> | > | > | > have
> | > | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not).
> | > | > | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | > | > | --
> | > | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery
> | > | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User)
> | > | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov
> | > | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
> | > | > | > | > | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>

 

[MEB]

Re: Re Maurice-: What is Quick Time

Well then, let's try to read that prior post,, what you NEED to do is setup
the *FIREWALL* to block where QT is allowed to go/where it is used... do you
use it for anything on the Internet?

IF NO, block it, or preferably convert those *.mov files to one supported in
the default player, and get rid of QT..

IF YES, access that SAFE site and configure it to allow QT use for that
SINGLE address, and single port if possible. Make sure you keep any
Notification enabled {and log for awhile} until you are sure that it is
fully blocked...

In a RULES based firewall, this is the functioning for ALL setup. In
something like ZA, most just click YES/Allow, and ZA then assigns what type
use it can be: Local/Server, Internet/Server. The ports are wide open [or
within a general preset range].

NOW are you confusing your issue with the AVAST proxy with this issue? The
proxy would come into play in conjunction WITH the firewall to
monitor/filter Internet traffic.


Everyone has an opinion, but only a few base their's on fact and what
occurs, those carry substance. The others base their's generally on desire
and guess or pre-conceived notions, those bring little but words.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4840a1e9$0$25023$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| I'm sorry. I meant to say 'Sygate' not Avast. Would you be able to help me
| set up Avast to block where QT is allowed to go?
|
| Maurice said:
| " because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and
a
| > little bit of typing knowledge which is only what most general usage
| > Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance,
| > that's a statement of plain fact"
|
| BS. - Sounds like arrogance to me. That's not to cut you down, that's just
a
| statement of plain fact. Ginny
|
| ----- Original Message -----
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eRW8bGowIHA.4876@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > Oh I'm sorry, I saw where you needed QT locally, and I can see why.
| >
| > It isn't AVAST you use, but your software firewall. That is the key
feature
| > of a software firewall, hardware firewalls are unable to *completely*
| > monitor running processes.
| >
| > The version of QT you use isn't really important, AS LONG AS ITS
BLOCKED
| > and only used locally, *or* just like for any program, IS important [use
the
| > last supported version] IF Internet usage, but only allowed access to
the
| > actual sites necessary/which require its use, AND you can't live without
| > them AND they are *clean* sites..
| >
| > Now, there are some other programs which provide .mov and other QT
| > extension playback, or creation or conversion, via pluggins or other. I
| > can't recommend one as I stopped that usage a long time ago as I found
no
| > real need for it.
| >
| > Your best bet, however, is to convert those irreplaceable *.mov to
another
| > format for use in something you already have installed, that's usually
| > Windows Media player.
| > That also makes it a little bit easier to configure your firewall, as
you
| > don't have to configure *many* applications and their access, and can
keep
| > your firewall rules in a small, tightly configured, manner. Security is
| > based upon YOUR ability to control what goes on with the help of
security
| > software, and settings,
| >
| > In example: I still use IE6 for testing purposes, but its access to
port
| > 443 is NOT configured for general use. That port is now called by some
sites
| > to push advertising and other scripts and code. Only sites which I know
and
| > use have been allowed access AND I am notified when it IS used or
attempted
| > at use either IN or OUT, I still have to manually allow it. The other
| > testing browsers I use {Opera, FireFox, SeaMonkey} have also been
limited.
| > FYI: that port is supposedly only for secure/trusted use and has a
higher
| > level of system access if allowed.
| >
| > The same is applied for all programs for which this can be done, such
as
| > mail programs, news readers, players, etc.. THEY don't control access
and
| > use, I DO with a little help. EVERTHING is defined and controlled as
best as
| > possible. This isn't done by default in ANY Microsoft OS, even the new
ones,
| > because it DOES take more than just knowing how to point and click, and
a
| > little bit of typing knowledge which is only what most general usage
| > Windows users know how to do. That's not cutting them down or arrogance,
| > that's a statement of plain fact
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > news:48401faf$0$25031$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | Maurice, I don't need Quick Time for the bank. When I uninstalled it,
I
| > was able to
| > | do my banking just fine. I wouldn't want anything "unsafe" running
with my
| > bank
| > | sessions.
| > | I'm guessing from the conversation that there is no replacement for
Quick
| > Time to
| > | run .MOV. I am able to run .mpg videos on 'Windows Media Player'. But
| > when I click
| > | my .mov it says it needs "PLAY32.EXE". Is that all I need? Maybe I
don't
| > need Quick
| > | Time.
| > | But if I do, are you familiar with how to set up Avast to LIMIT,
via
| > the
| > | firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE? Ginny
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:OQwUxXiwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > No Gary, I thought you were helping setup her computer just some FYI
| > | > reminders.
| > | > You LIMIT, via the firewall, EXACTLY where QT can be used, by SITE.
| > Same as
| > | > for any troublesome application.... she needs it for the bank, then
| > that's
| > | > what it is allowed to connect with, she needs it only for local
| > materials,
| > | > then it gets no outside access...
| > | > As for JAVA, this box still uses Microsoft's version... guess what,
that
| > | > LIMITS what hacks can be used...
| > | >
| > | > 98 CAN be made secure enough to use for "most" of the Internet with
a
| > little
| > | > thought applied.
| > | >
| > | > As for the UTUBE generation,, well, I deal with them almost daily,
they
| > | > aren't very impressive nor do they care much ... then again I
suppose
| > such
| > | > was said about us, but the leverage is: dis ain't loud music er da
tv,
| > dis
| > | > be da world and it eats da dumb fer breakfast...
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:eylFErhwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | Why must you harp on the obvious? I, personally, would recommend
not
| > | > running
| > | > | QT at all, and I don't, not even on my XP systems. But lots of
people
| > use
| > | > | certain types of files that only QT will handle, or in the case at
| > hand,
| > | > | it's inexorably combined with her camera software (a very old
camera
| > with
| > | > no
| > | > | twain driver, IIRC, though I'll learn more as time passes.) And
she
| > has
| > | > | irreplaceable MOV files that are dear to her heart...
| > | > |
| > | > | So, what would YOU recommend? Leave in the old QT the way it is,
or
| > update
| > | > | it and hope that uninstalling the old version is a major part of
that
| > | > | update.
| > | > |
| > | > | And, please tell us, what is the alternative to Sun Java these
days?
| > | > |
| > | > | Ginny is shopping for a new machine, XP probably, but she may be
| > forced to
| > | > | Vista, and she can't afford a Mac and she'll not want the total
new
| > | > learning
| > | > | experience that Linux would entail... So what do you recommend?
| > | > |
| > | > | Again, you are complaining about security in legacy applications
when
| > | > | they're being run on a totally insecure and obsolete system in the
| > first
| > | > | place.
| > | > |
| > | > | Oh, and FYI, I downloaded QT v. 6.5.2, since that is the last one
the
| > | > works
| > | > | on 9x.
| > | > |
| > | > | Really, Maurice. What would you have us do? Pull the power cords?
Live
| > in
| > | > | perpetual fear of the inevitable bugs and vulnerabilities in
software
| > that
| > | > | is racing to keep up with the demands of the YouTube generation?
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:%232u%23DzgwIHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > SEE APPLE QuickTime US CERT warnings/alert I posted in this
group on
| > | > | > 04/04/2008 [see suggestion and, responses provided alternatives
or
| > | > | > recommendations], also see older QT warnings this group and
| > elsewhere..
| > | > | >
| > | > | > REFERENCE
| > | > | > National Cyber Alert System
| > | > | > Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-094A
| > | > | > Apple Updates for Multiple Vulnerabilities
| > | > | > Original release date: April 3, 2008
| > | > | >
| > | > | > SEE ALSO:
| > | > | > "One of the fastest growing threats - the web site you visit" -
MEB
| > | > | > 05/01/2008 - this group, ignore the more ignorant responses
| > [consider
| > | > with
| > | > | > the Flash vulnerabilities FINALLY addressed, though its still
| > | > vulnerable].
| > | > | > AND:
| > | > | > SUN JAVA Technical Cyber Security Alert TA08-066A - posted here
| > | > 03-07-2008
| > | > | > if you intend to use SUN.
| > | > | > ,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > _________
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:uib%23sCWwIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | Decided to run the latest installer I have to see if it tells
you
| > up
| > | > | > front
| > | > | > | what version... There it was in huge letters. 6.5.1. And it
was
| > | > released
| > | > | > | prior to December '04, not '05. Another of my many brain farts
| > today.
| > | > | > What
| > | > | > | IS strange is that I have no versions prior to that in the
places
| > I'd
| > | > | > expect
| > | > | > | to find them. I'm a true packrat when it comes to that kind of
| > stuff.
| > | > | > Gotta
| > | > | > | be earlier versions here, somewhere. Ahh, here we go. Versions
4 &
| > | > 5...
| > | > | > All
| > | > | > | I'm missing is 3 and I just didn't feel like waiting for
Search to
| > | > | > complete
| > | > | > | inspection of my vast ZIPped archives, my backups of backups,
etc.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| > | > | > | news:u0r7OqVwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | >I do know that QT version 5 at least works on Win98SE. I
| > stopped
| > | > | > there,
| > | > | > | >as I started getting tired of the bloat (as is so often the
case)
| > | > with
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | >newer versions.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| > | > | > | >> Leave it for now. I'll have you a full answer tomorrow if I
| > can.
| > | > What
| > | > | > | >> you've
| > | > | > | >> probably got is the same ancient, dangerous, version that
MEB
| > was
| > | > | > | >> complaining about. We need to find the latest version that
will
| > | > still
| > | > | > run
| > | > | > | >> on
| > | > | > | >> 9x. I'm may have it, but I'm in the middle of rebuilding my
98
| > box
| > | > so
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > | >> can't test and make sure, know how to instruct you in its
| > | > | > installation,
| > | > | > | >> etc.
| > | > | > | >>
| > | > | > | >> (Actually, I coulda sworn I found v.6 on the QT site and
that
| > it
| > | > | > works
| > | > | > | >> with
| > | > | > | >> Win98, but I guess I'll have to go through my History to
find
| > it.
| > | > | > | >> Assuming I
| > | > | > | >> don't already have it. Latest version I could find quickly
was
| > one
| > | > I
| > | > | > | >> downloaded in late '05.)
| > | > | > | >>
| > | > | > | >> --
| > | > | > | >> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | >> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | >> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | >>
| > | > | > | >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >> news:483e4acf$0$25060$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | > | >>> I googled one of the missing Quick Time files QT32INST.EXE
| > | > | > downloaded
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | >>> and ran it
| > | > | > | >>> and it repaired Quick Time. It even installed the
QTW32DEL.EXE
| > | > that
| > | > | > was
| > | > | > | >>> missing. Now
| > | > | > | >>> I have both of the Quick Time logos QT & QT32 in my
add/remove
| > | > | > programs
| > | > | > | >>> and in
| > | > | > | >>> Control Panel. I don't believe the QT one works but my
movies
| > are
| > | > | > | >>> playing
| > | > | > | >>> well,
| > | > | > | >>> automatically with the Quick Time 32. So I am leaving it
alone
| > as
| > | > I
| > | > | > am
| > | > | > | >>> sure there are
| > | > | > | >>> shared files. Unless anyone has any ideas as to how to get
rid
| > of
| > | > it
| > | > | > | >>> without hurting
| > | > | > | >>> Quick Time 32.
| > | > | > | >>>
| > | > | > | >>>
| > | > | > | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>> news:uPfCyEUwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | >>>> I need YOU to be more patient. And to stop posting
wherever
| > you
| > | > | > feel
| > | > | > | >>>> like
| > | > | > | >>>> it. I know this is a long and multi-threaded issue, but
it's
| > your
| > | > | > | >>>> responsibility to find the proper thread and post to
respond
| > to.
| > | > If
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | >>>> think it's missing, then at least go back to the top of
this
| > | > thread
| > | > | > | >>>> ("IE
| > | > | > | >>>> works so far", not "What is Quick Time") to post your
"I'm
| > lost"
| > | > | > post.
| > | > | > | >>>> While
| > | > | > | >>>> this was intended to be a wrap-up thread for the original
| > issue,
| > | > | > you're
| > | > | > | >>>> now
| > | > | > | >>>> tacking new issues onto it, like this whole Sygate/QT
thread.
| > No
| > | > | > need
| > | > | > | >>>> to
| > | > | > | >>>> further muck up the works by adding more to this
sub-thread.
| > | > | > | >>>>
| > | > | > | >>>> So be patient, I have had to answer lots of posts today
and
| > some
| > | > in
| > | > | > | >>>> depth,
| > | > | > | >>>> and I've done a lot of research on your part and on the
part
| > of
| > | > | > others.
| > | > | > | >>>> I
| > | > | > | >>>> also had to rebuild my 98 machine, eat, etc., etc. And
| > because
| > | > you
| > | > | > | >>>> posted
| > | > | > | >>>> these MSXML questions here instead of where they belong,
*I*
| > have
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > go
| > | > | > | >>>> searching for wherever in this mess the posts regarding
MSXML
| > | > | > update,
| > | > | > | >>>> etc.,
| > | > | > | >>>> is located. I'll post/repost there and answer your
| > question(s)
| > | > | > there.
| > | > | > | >>>>
| > | > | > | >>>> --
| > | > | > | >>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | >>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | >>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>
| > | > | > | >>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>> news:483e2660$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | > | >>>>> I need you to read my most recent postings.
| > | > | > | >>>>> !. I am confused about the MSXML4sp2 updated and what to
| > delete.
| > | > I
| > | > | > | >>>>> need
| > | > | > | >>>>> it
| > | > | > | >>>>> explained more clearly, please.
| > | > | > | >>>>> 2. Quick Time doesn't have an uninstaller. When I hit
| > add/remove
| > | > | > | >>>>> programs
| > | > | > | >>>>> it
| > | > | > | >>>>> said it was uninstalling my Camedia (the program I
attach my
| > | > | > digital
| > | > | > | >>>>> camera
| > | > | > | >>>>> to the computer...that was o.k.
| > | > | > | >>>>> But, there is nothing that says uninstall quick Time, It
| > only
| > | > | > gives
| > | > | > | >>>>> the
| > | > | > | >>>>> option to remove extensions. (in add/remove programs)
and it
| > | > says
| > | > | > that
| > | > | > | >>>>> I
| > | > | > | >>>>> shouldn't do that.
| > | > | > | >>>>> In Internet Options when I click it. It tells me that I
| > should
| > | > | > | >>>>> uninstall
| > | > | > | >>>>> and
| > | > | > | >>>>> install again as I am missing 2 exe files.
| > | > | > | >>>>> If I put the CD in the drive....will that give me an
option
| > to
| > | > | > | >>>>> uninstall?
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
| > | > | > | >>>>> From: "Gary S. Terhune" <none>
| > | > | > | >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| > | > | > | >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:21 PM
| > | > | > | >>>>> Subject: Re: IE Running well so far
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>> Then you DO have that very old version MEB was talking
| > about.
| > | > You
| > | > | > | >>>>>> should
| > | > | > | >>>>>> uninstall it, then hope your banking site doesn't
require
| > it.
| > | > | > Might
| > | > | > | >>>>>> just
| > | > | > | >>>>>> look different but still work. (I thought I had a link
to
| > the
| > | > | > last
| > | > | > | >>>>>> version
| > | > | > | >>>>>> that worked with Win98, but I'll have to look deeper.)
| > | > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>> --
| > | > | > | >>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | >>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | >>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>> news:483e04fb$0$15193$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sorry, Gary I got side tracked trying to get online
again.
| > I
| > | > | > will
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall that
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> update(4.0sdk).
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> The 2 Q Times are in Internet Options- Control Panel.
Q
| > time
| > | > | > says
| > | > | > if
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> I
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> uninstall it I
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> will uninstall the program it came with. I haven't the
| > | > slightest
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> idea
| > | > | > | >>>>> what
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> it came
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> with . It is not in any of my Programs under Start.
| > Further
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> investigation
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> shows that
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> the version is 2.1.2.59 (Quick Time for Windows) It
says
| > it is
| > | > | > for
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> Window 95 and is missing QT32INST.EXE AND
| > | > QTW32EEL.EXE....which
| > | > | > is
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> why
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> I
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> can't open
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> it. It says I should uninstall and reinstall but I
don't
| > know
| > | > | > what
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> CD
| > | > | > | >>>>> it
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> would be on
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> to re-install.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> I will uninstall the 4.0sp1 now, after I make sure I
can
| > get
| > | > | > online.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> Gin
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> news:u44BNBOwIHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> You still have MSXML 4.0 SP1. Here's some updates you
| > might
| > | > | > want
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> consider:
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> First, uninstall that Update we installed that
includes
| > the
| > | > | > SDK.
| > | > | > If
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> you're
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> not sure which one, write down any entry that
includes
| > MSXML
| > | > | > and
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> post
| > | > | > | >>>>> it
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> here. After uninstalling that, then get:
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> MSXML 4.0 Service Pack 2 http://tinyurl.com/59qer
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> then this patch:
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y6a2sl
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> --
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:483cf7f0$0$15192$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> All three are version 4.10.9404.0 and they were all
| > created
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 2/4/02.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> msxml4.dll is 80.5 KB, msxml4r.dll is 1.17 MB,
| > msxml4a.dll
| > | > is
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> 43.5
| > | > | > | >>>>> KB.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>> news:483e234b$0$25024$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | > | >>>>>> One of my posts has 'gone missing' and I'm sitting here
| > unclear
| > | > | > about
| > | > | > | >>>>>> how
| > | > | > | >>>>>> to do
| > | > | > | >>>>> this
| > | > | > | >>>>>> service patch . I downloaded msxml4-KB927978-enu.exe
(file
| > | > | > version
| > | > | > | >>>>>> 1)....., (I
| > | > | > | >>>>> typed
| > | > | > | >>>>>> in tinyurl.com/y6a2sl and it redirected me to this
MSXML
| > 4.0
| > | > | > Service
| > | > | > | >>>>>> Pack2
| > | > | > | >>>>>> (Microsoft XML Core Services) - I think that is what I
| > | > | > downloaded.
| > | > | > Is
| > | > | > | >>>>>> that the
| > | > | > | >>>>> first
| > | > | > | >>>>>> one or the second one??
| > | > | > | >>>>>> Also....What am I supposed to post here and uninstall
from
| > my
| > | > | > | >>>>>> system???
| > | > | > | >>>>>> I am
| > | > | > | >>>>>> confused. Thanks. Gin
| > | > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>> news:eVflMSTwIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate uses a database that started out blank.
| > *Everything*
| > | > you
| > | > | > do
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> for
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> a
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> while will be a "change" to Sygate. If it's a program
you
| > | > | > recognize,
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> then,
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> short of doing a lot more research, you have no choice
but
| > to
| > | > | > trust
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> that
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> it's not a malware DLL in disguise, and approve the
update
| > to
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> Sygate's
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> database. Once you've finished training it, then when
it
| > says
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> "change"
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> it
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> will almost always actually mean "change". Then you
are
| > | > expected
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> be
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> able
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> to remember recent changes to your system and update
| > Sygate
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> appropriately.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> If it's a question you have about the program that is
| > being
| > | > | > cited,
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> like
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> you
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> did with QT, then you do as you did: ask about it, do
some
| > | > | > research.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> But try
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> to refrain from acting on our advice, or even stuff
you
| > read
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> elsewhere
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> using
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> Google, etc., too quickly, not even mine, in case
there's
| > an
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> important
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> (or
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> even minor) correction, contradiction or addendum to
that
| > | > advice
| > | > | > in
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> the
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> near
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> future.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> In this case, besides just what QT stands for, you
should
| > have
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> learned
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> enough in this thread to ask yourself, "Just how old
IS
| > that
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> QuickTime
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> of
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> mine, anyway?" and "Maybe I should uninstall it and
then
| > | > install
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> latest
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> version if I find I need it later." So, in a way,
Sygate
| > is
| > | > | > teaching
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> you,
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> too.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> --
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>>> news:483df8c8$0$25052$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> I don't mind training something. I simply dont know
if
| > it is
| > | > | > o.k.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> to
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> allow
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> every
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> program to add new .dlls to my Internet Explorer and
| > Outlook
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Express. If
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> it is
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> harmless, I will simply say yes. and go about my
| > business.
| > | > But
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> seems to
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> me we
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> spent an awful lot of time getting rid of .dlls that
| > didn't
| > | > | > belong
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> and
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> putting in
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> .dlls that had disappeared. My question was simple.
Do I
| > | > allow
| > | > | > my
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Internet
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Explorer
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> and Outlook Express to be changed by my programs.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> It doesn't say that Sygate is changing anything. It
is
| > Sygate
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> reporting to
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> me that
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> these programs are changing my IE & OE. I assumed
that
| > before
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> Sygate,
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> my
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> programs
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> were doing this but I just didn't know. Am I making
any
| > | > sense?
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>> news:%239wnV0RwIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> My guess is that the page you went to includes items
| > that
| > | > are
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> viewed
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> using a
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT plugin. What you describe (QT and QT32) sound
like
| > | > plugins
| > | > | > and
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> they
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> are
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> just different versions of the same thing (16-bit
and
| > | > 32-bit),
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> installed
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> by
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> the same installer. Where are these things listed in
| > | > Internet
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Options? On
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> what tab, under what button? (Sorry, I can't check
| > against
| > | > my
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> system
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> as I
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> am
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in the process of rebuilding it.) Anyway, if it bugs
| > you,
| > | > just
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> QT
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> in Add/Remove Programs and see what happens. You can
| > always
| > | > go
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> back
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> reinstall it if you discover you need it.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> But your biggest problem is that you can't stand
having
| > to
| > | > | > train
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> that
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> firewall. If you aren't willing to go through that
| > process,
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> uninstall it
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> and
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> either use something else or nothing at all. You
already
| > | > have
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> pretty
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> decent
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> protection against intrusion. Believe me, that
firewall
| > | > isn't
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> done
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> bugging
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> you, not by a LONG shot.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> --
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>> news:483de66d$0$11610$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I have Quick Time and Quick Time32 in my Internet
| > Options.
| > | > I
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> have
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Quick
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Time in
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Add/Remove programs. I went to Chase to transfer
some
| > money
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> my
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> son
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> and
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> another
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> popup occurred saying: "Quick Time has install the
| > | > following
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> (long
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> list)
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> of
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> components to your system, do you want them to
access
| > the
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> internet."
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Why
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> would I want
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> them to access the internet and change my Internet
| > Explorer
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> while
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> I am
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> trying to do
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> banking??? When I said 'no' , I was unable to
continue.
| > I
| > | > | > would
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> like to
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> uninstall
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> both of them. (I only have uninstall for QT) and I
| > don't
| > | > know
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> what
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> QT32
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> is!!! A
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> little hint please. I am going to try again to get
into
| > my
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> bank.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> Ginny
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>> news:utbNAQRwIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be. It's not your fault MEB got up on the
wrong
| > side
| > | > | > of
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> the
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> bed
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> this
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> morning and/or is otherwise distracted, or so it
| > seems.
| > | > | > Though
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> I
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> must
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> say
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> it's interesting to see his true colors when it
comes
| > to
| > | > his
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> feelings
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> about
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> XP.
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> --
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>> news:483dd8cc$1$11631$607ed4bc@cv.net...
| > | > | > | >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I asked!!! Ginny
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[MEB]

Re: What is Quick Time

Is this where we go pppspsttttt at each other, its been awhile, I'm not sure
what the normal response is...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:OtHBo%23rwIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| Yeah, well I knew that was exactly the way you'd eventually respond, so
| we're even.
|
| Dreamer.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:uBHGSurwIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > And that's EXACTLY how one would expect you to respond....
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:%23r4dSTpwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | Thought so, <eg>.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:u4ycUfjwIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > OOOHHH, I missed this one, you put the sig at the top...
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:OcWlexTwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:uorQnxSwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > Ah ,YOU brought capitalism as an issue, I see NO WHERE in my
posts
| > | > that
| > | > | > indicates that.
| > | > |
| > | > | Capitalism = Real World. A place where you, apparently, don't wish
| > to
| > | > | reside.
| > | >
| > | > CAPITALISM = with its waste, consumerism, profit margins and market
| > calls,
| > | > investments in junk businesses and manufacturers, lack of concern
for
| > | > people, lack of concern for environment, fosters its ME/MINE
attitude,
| > | > resource Wars, depletion of the ozone, destruction of the ice caps,
| > | > elimination of wildlife and sea creatures, world wealth in the hands
| > of
| > | > the
| > | > select few, limited and DIRECTED education of children, and all this
| > other
| > | > lovely stuff going on,,, the thing that will destroy this planet,,
oh
| > | > wait,
| > | > that's pretty much been accomplished. It IS useful for America, it
has
| > | > kept
| > | > this bankrupt nation alive [declared essential bankrupcy seven times
| > since
| > | > the depression], of course the money is useless and only backed by
| > foreign
| > | > nations but who cares about whether that CREDIT is ever paid back,
not
| > | > Capitalists...... worry about future generations, why, there's no
| > profit
| > | > in
| > | > it, and WHO CARES we certainly aren't going to be there, that's
their
| > | > problem....
| > | >
| > | > So yeah, let's drill ALL the oil out NOW and use it,,, let's spend
the
| > | > next
| > | > thirty years trying to figure out what to do, after all, its only
been
| > a
| > | > few
| > | > thousand years already, let's let the people pay for coal
| > technological
| > | > usage improvements FOR the producers, let's strip the sea of life
and
| > fill
| > | > it in with human waste and garbage, let's finish this with a bang,,
| > yep
| > | > that's it,,, let's just get rid of all those things in our way....
| > | >
| > | > We don't need animals, fish , vegetables, or any of that junk, we
can
| > eat
| > | > ourselves, like in "Soylent Green".... use War to decrease the
| > population
| > | > like "1984", oh YEAH let's bask in our glory.... hey sounds like the
| > plan,
| > | > whatyatink...
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | > WHY would I post that in this group???
| > | > | > I spent more than a month in this group attempting to discuss
and
| > | > explain
| > | > | > the XP hard drive issues with 9X,,, had many of the posters put
| > | > material
| > | > | > into the discussion which they had no idea of, *discredit [or
| > rather
| > | > | > attempt
| > | > | > to do so] ACTAUL functions IN XP*, and the final outcome came to
| > "NOT"
| > | > | > checking Smart statistics because the drive APPEARED to be
| > clean...
| > | > who
| > | > | > cares if its not realistic, who cares if anything had been
| > | > re-allocated,
| > | > | > who
| > | > | > cares....
| > | > |
| > | > | Why would you discuss XP issues in THIS group in any detail? And
| > since
| > | > when
| > | >
| > | > It was a discussion concerning 98 usage after and on drives with XP.
| > Seems
| > | > that made it pretty appropriate for a 98 group. It did get a number
of
| > XP
| > | > users to pop in, and increased re-population [other mirrors], and
| > | > viewers/participants here. The added benefit, it exposed some of
XP.
| > AND
| > | > changed a few attitudes concerning what to do with these types of
| > disks,
| > | > how
| > | > to wipe drives, what programs are worthless to use, and several
other
| > | > useful
| > | > items......
| > | >
| > | > | DON'T long threads of that nature get filled with stupid
| > contributions?
| > | > And
| > | > | who DOES care, anyway?
| > | > |
| > | > | > Now if you can explain to me why I would do this again, post
it...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > As for daily use: that's funny, not only daily use, but FAR
| > more....
| > | > | > There is no bias on my part, but there certainly is on yours, I
| > HAVE
| > | > run
| > | > | > other non-Microsoft OSs.... and did the same thing in those OSs,
| > | > testing,
| > | > | > defining, clarifying,,, and using. Guess what, I intend to do it
| > | > again...
| > | > |
| > | > | Have fun.
| > | > |
| > | > | > Are we done yet?
| > | > |
| > | > | Don't know, yet.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | >
| > | > Apparently we aren't....
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:uMZL4JQwIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | I didn't say testing and monitoring wouldn't tell you a lot,
but
| > if
| > | > you
| > | > | > | haven't actually used it day in and day out, doing all the
| > things
| > | > that
| > | > | > | people do with their desktop PCs, you have nothing but nerdy,
| > yes.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | So what's your results. In particular, discuss the comparative
| > | > features
| > | > | > and
| > | > | > | why you seem to think that all the extra functionality in XP
is
| > | > plain
| > | > | > | worthless, or could just as easily be done in 9x. Synopsize
and
| > hit
| > | > the
| > | > | > high
| > | > | > | points, please. I'm not up to reams of data.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | I gotta tell you, your bias is showing all over the place, and
I
| > | > ALWAYS
| > | > | > | remember that statistics can be easily misconstrued and/or
made
| > to
| > | > lie.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | And if your real gripe is capitalism in general, then let's
| > leave
| > | > off
| > | > | > this
| > | > | > | discussion, OK?
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | news:evO68%23OwIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > That's usage monitoring. file monitoring, network
monitoring,
| > | > Internet
| > | > | > | > monitoring, disk monitoring, service monitoring, device
| > | > monitoring,
| > | > | > | > etc.,,,
| > | > | > | > ah, that's far beyond simple usage. Seems that would give me
a
| > bit
| > | > | > more
| > | > | > | > knowledge,, but then that would be relative and nerdy
wouldn't
| > | > it..
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > _________
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > news:Oyaln3OwIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > | Testing and monitoring... But not really using?
ROTFLMAO!!!
| > That
| > | > | > leaves
| > | > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > | well prepared for nothing more than just so much nerdy
| > babble.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | news:%23l7eJaOwIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > | > QT can be used locally, or one can find codex to handle
| > that
| > | > | > format
| > | > | > in
| > | > | > | > | > some
| > | > | > | > | > other player which IS being supported.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > Right, you DO say that constantly, and you also attempt
to
| > | > foster
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > notion that XP has become the world's favorite because
its
| > | > just
| > | > so
| > | > | > | > good
| > | > | > | > | > and
| > | > | > | > | > secure, BS, the reason for increased usage is that it is
| > | > difficult
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > find
| > | > | > | > | > computer's to support 9X, leaving the only viable
Windows
| > | > choice
| > | > | > as
| > | > | > | > XP,
| > | > | > | > | > and
| > | > | > | > | > VISTA is still such a PITA. Try not to buy into the
| > garbage
| > | > spewed
| > | > | > by
| > | > | > | > | > media
| > | > | > | > | > and others... OR if you wish, we CAN discuss the POS XP
| > which
| > | > I
| > | > | > DID
| > | > | > | > spend
| > | > | > | > | > considerable time testing and monitoring... how good
| > its,,,
| > | > look
| > | > | > HERE:
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/en-us
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > Think everything is fixed,,, guess again...
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > | > _________
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | > news:uKoNOPOwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > | > | I already told you, that machine has had EVERYTHING
| > | > installed
| > | > on
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | > at
| > | > | > | > | > one
| > | > | > | > | > | time or another, and been through several ISPs and
their
| > | > | > | > | > branding/helpful
| > | > | > | > | > | software, etc.
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | But what should she do if she needs QT to play
| > something?
| > | > After
| > | > | > all,
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > what
| > | > | > | > | > | you say about QT on Windows 98 could be said about
Win98
| > | > itself.
| > | > | > In
| > | > | > | > | > fact,
| > | > | > | > | > I
| > | > | > | > | > | say it fairly regularly in places where people might
| > | > actually
| > | > | > | > listen.
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | > | news:uzyZhGOwIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | > | > | > Apple's QuickTime for 98 has not been supported for
| > some
| > | > time.
| > | > | > It
| > | > | > | > is
| > | > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > | > | > security risk, and is severely outdated.
| > | > | > | > | > | > Unless you have some special need to use it online,
do
| > not
| > | > | > allow
| > | > | > | > it
| > | > | > | > | > access
| > | > | > | > | > | > to the Internet.
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > Are you using AOL or some other ISP which installed
| > this
| > | > for
| > | > | > you?
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > | > | > _________
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | > | > news:fa1r3490ic78jqm9d8p4mkkvf84r0rcg82@4ax.com...
| > | > | > | > | > | > | "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote:
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >Could someone please tell me what Quick Time is?
| > Sygate
| > | > | > says
| > | > | > it
| > | > | > | > was
| > | > | > | > | > | > critical that I
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >had approved a whole bunch of new dlls for Quick
| > Time,
| > | > and
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > | > don't
| > | > | > | > | > even
| > | > | > | > | > | > remember what
| > | > | > | > | > | > | >it is. Ginny
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | QuickTime is Apple's video player. It plays *.mov
| > and
| > | > *.mp4
| > | > | > | > files,
| > | > | > | > | > | > | which Windows Media Player will not. Installing it
| > will
| > | > also
| > | > | > get
| > | > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > | > | > | endless nags from Apple to upgrade it and iTunes
| > | > (whether
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | > have
| > | > | > | > | > | > | iTunes or not).
| > | > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | > | > | > | Tim Slattery
| > | > | > | > | > | > | MS MVP(Shell/User)
| > | > | > | > | > | > | Slattery_T@bls.gov
| > | > | > | > | > | > | http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|

 

[MEB]

Re: What is Quick Time

Gary, this is a useless discussion. You have your thoughts which are what a
Windows user generally has, having never used anything else..

So let just say, again, we agree to disagree... and leave me out of those
snide little comments...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the
| > usage,
| > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my
| > case,
| > I
| > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and
I'll
| > bet
| > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly not
| > by
| > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by
| > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that
| > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how
many
| > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted
using
| > | Linux?
| >
| > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why.
|
| I dunno. You don't like being counted?
|
| > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not a
| > cut, just a statement.
| > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend.
|
| > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't tell
| > you as I have no intention of disabling the block]..
| > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the
| > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each
| > other..
| >
| > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people just
| > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no NOTHING
| > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view
| > nifty
| > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer,
and
| > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the
edge
| > of
| > the world*...
|
| Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a format
| that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best.
|
| > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the way
of
| > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you
keep
| > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and
| > Microsoft's
| > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything
| > else
| > is
| > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and
| > millions
| > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between
| > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it. I
| > *want*
| > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and
| > crappy.
| > As
| > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part
comes
| > in,
| > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd. They
| > are
| > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it except
in
| > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment.
| >
| > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that
isn't
| > found in a Linux version or specific program?
|
| I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And in any
| case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these days
that
| one can write a single version of an application (or two or three, max)
that
| will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having to
| personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent?
|
| > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and
| > devices,
| > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to
have
| > no
| > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would
| > usually be "lead by the nose".
|
| Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want.
| Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for most
uses
| I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it or
not,
| Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you talk
about
| the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me that
| YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are perfect
| examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the minute,
| made possible for the most part by Windows.
|
| If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have met my
| wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a
courtship
| via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life we
have
| together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing business.
| (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for either
| of us.)
|
| > |
| > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which
could
| > be
| > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps
| > making
| > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the
| > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for those.
| >
| > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix,
Linux,
| > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted,
| > home
| > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was
used
| > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use came
| > from
| > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous
| > browser... and that's about it.
|
| More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it is
| today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to keep
to
| themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want everyone
| else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.)
|
| And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself
through
| astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all well
| known history. You're whining again.
|
| > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a
Linux/Unix
| > or variant?
|
| Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that with
that
| upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish stuff
stuff
| out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these internet-RUNNING
| machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any problems,
to
| have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And if
| they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible internet
| hacks?
|
| > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems?
|
| Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest target"
| paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly
| maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all, easy
| targets for hackers.
|
| What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't allow any
| users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and programming
| computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, like
| certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you going
to
| get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers
instead
| of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would magically
| cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the
operating
| system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can somehow
| coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it
| impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go.
|
| > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the pace
| > of
| > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with
them
| > a
| > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a hunch
| > or
| > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and always
| > has
| >
| > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has
any
| > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the
numbers.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| >
| > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I
| > have
| > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual
| > uninformed Windows user...
|
| Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over again
for
| ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again, why
do
| you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking
cookies,
| scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything
| *malicious* at that site?
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers as
no
| > one
| > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites
| > statistics
| > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE
| > Microsoft's
| > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR to
be
| > the
| > | > proper browser and OS is used....
| > | >
| > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about
Linux
| > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft
| > "borrows"
| > a
| > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember, the
| > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and
| > write
| > | > the
| > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can
| > | > implement
| > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work
to
| > | > create
| > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes even
| > more
| > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those
| > deliberately
| > | > DUMB devices..
| > | >
| > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or
you
| > can
| > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But you
| > know
| > | > as
| > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced.
Then
| > we
| > | > got
| > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a
| > master
| > | > OS
| > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else
has
| > | > come
| > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux
| > distros
| > | > are
| > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's
the
| > | > most
| > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run
Windows
| > XP
| > | > | decently using a VM!
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses XP
| > [or
| > | > even
| > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft
| > doesn't
| > | > and
| > | > | >> is
| > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to
rely
| > upon
| > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to
| > follow
| > | > its
| > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again,
capitalism
| > is
| > | > a
| > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's upper-level
| > | > quality
| > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are
FACTS.
| > I
| > | > don't
| > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a snail's
| > pace
| > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means
| > little.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it!
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today,
rather
| > than
| > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have
| > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the OS
| > code
| > | > got
| > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS getting
| > | > changed
| > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every hardware
| > | > developer
| > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users". Again,
| > you
| > | > are
| > | > | > describing chaos.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >>Wouldn't you
| > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to
| > protect
| > | > you
| > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so the
| > | > | >> comparison
| > | > | >> is negated].
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable people"?
| > And
| > | > how
| > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think
| > abou
| > | > tit,
| > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable people"
| > | > helping
| > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to
busy
| > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to ALL
| > BE
| > ON
| > | > THE
| > | > | > SAME TEAM!
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret
| > coding,
| > | > yet
| > | > | >> just
| > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why
would
| > you
| > | > | >> support
| > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of
their
| > | > own?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to
| > | > actually
| > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply
that
| > the
| > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that
they
| > are
| > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty
as
| > the
| > | > ones
| > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP
other
| > | > than
| > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others could
| > come
| > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be
| > | > maintaining
| > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that
this
| > is
| > | > due
| > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace
| > them,
| > | > need
| > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of
| > affairs
| > | > to
| > | > | > the chaos you describe.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight
so
| > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it
| > purports
| > | > to
| > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own
| > writings...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for
| > XP/Vista/whatever?
| > | > I
| > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the dust
| > | > settles.
| > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now this
| > | > mongrel
| > | > | > Vista.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this
monster
| > | > called
| > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages, provided
| > the
| > | > error
| > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at MY
| > cost
| > | > the
| > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally]
the
| > | > parties
| > | > | >> who
| > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED
for
| > | > doing
| > | > | >> so,
| > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how
dense
| > am
| > | > I,
| > | > ah
| > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes and
| > which
| > | > I
| > | > | >> PAY
| > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now
| > regret....
| > | > no
| > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was, this
9X
| > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the
world
| > | > needed
| > | > | >> [it
| > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The
NT
| > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER recommended,
| > has,
| > | > per
| > | > | >> my
| > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other
| > servers.
| > | > | >> That
| > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences
is
| > | > | >> something I
| > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in this
| > | > group,
| > | > I
| > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3 did
| > not
| > | > | >> completely do.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care
| > about
| > | > your
| > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night. Your
| > | > worldview
| > | > | > is at odds with reality.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > www.grystmill.com
| > | > | >
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| >
| >
| >
|

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: What is Quick Time

If you think this was a useless conversation, then my respect for you is
greatly diminished.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7VhpOtwIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Gary, this is a useless discussion. You have your thoughts which are what
> a
> Windows user generally has, having never used anything else..
>
> So let just say, again, we agree to disagree... and leave me out of those
> snide little comments...
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eJfjTQpwIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | >
> | >
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the
> | > usage,
> | > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In my
> | > case,
> | > I
> | > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and
> I'll
> | > bet
> | > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly
> not
> | > by
> | > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean by
> | > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that
> | > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And how
> many
> | > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted
> using
> | > | Linux?
> | >
> | > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why.
> |
> | I dunno. You don't like being counted?
> |
> | > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's not
> a
> | > cut, just a statement.
> | > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend.
> |
> | > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't
> tell
> | > you as I have no intention of disabling the block]..
> | > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of the
> | > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each
> | > other..
> | >
> | > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people
> just
> | > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no
> NOTHING
> | > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails, view
> | > nifty
> | > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their computer,
> and
> | > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the
> edge
> | > of
> | > the world*...
> |
> | Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a
> format
> | that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best.
> |
> | > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the
> way
> of
> | > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you
> keep
> | > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and
> | > Microsoft's
> | > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and everything
> | > else
> | > is
> | > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros and
> | > millions
> | > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between
> | > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of it.
> I
> | > *want*
> | > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and
> | > crappy.
> | > As
> | > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part
> comes
> | > in,
> | > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd.
> They
> | > are
> | > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it
> except
> in
> | > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment.
> | >
> | > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that
> isn't
> | > found in a Linux version or specific program?
> |
> | I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And in
> any
> | case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these days
> that
> | one can write a single version of an application (or two or three, max)
> that
> | will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having to
> | personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent?
> |
> | > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and
> | > devices,
> | > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to
> have
> | > no
> | > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment would
> | > usually be "lead by the nose".
> |
> | Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want.
> | Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for most
> uses
> | I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it or
> not,
> | Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you talk
> about
> | the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me that
> | YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are perfect
> | examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the minute,
> | made possible for the most part by Windows.
> |
> | If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have met my
> | wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a
> courtship
> | via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life we
> have
> | together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing business.
> | (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for
> either
> | of us.)
> |
> | > |
> | > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which
> could
> | > be
> | > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is perhaps
> | > making
> | > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the
> | > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for
> those.
> | >
> | > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix,
> Linux,
> | > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world. Granted,
> | > home
> | > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was
> used
> | > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use
> came
> | > from
> | > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous
> | > browser... and that's about it.
> |
> | More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it is
> | today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to keep
> to
> | themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want
> everyone
> | else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.)
> |
> | And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself
> through
> | astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all well
> | known history. You're whining again.
> |
> | > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a
> Linux/Unix
> | > or variant?
> |
> | Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that with
> that
> | upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish stuff
> stuff
> | out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these
> internet-RUNNING
> | machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any
> problems,
> to
> | have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And if
> | they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible internet
> | hacks?
> |
> | > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems?
> |
> | Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest target"
> | paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly
> | maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all, easy
> | targets for hackers.
> |
> | What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't allow
> any
> | users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and programming
> | computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, like
> | certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you
> going
> to
> | get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers
> instead
> | of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would
> magically
> | cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the
> operating
> | system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can
> somehow
> | coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it
> | impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go.
> |
> | > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the
> pace
> | > of
> | > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble with
> them
> | > a
> | > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a
> hunch
> | > or
> | > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and
> always
> | > has
> | >
> | > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux has
> any
> | > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the
> numbers.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | >
> | > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people, I
> | > have
> | > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual
> | > uninformed Windows user...
> |
> | Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over again
> for
> | ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again, why
> do
> | you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking
> cookies,
> | scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything
> | *malicious* at that site?
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers
> as
> no
> | > one
> | > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites
> | > statistics
> | > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE
> | > Microsoft's
> | > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR
> to
> be
> | > the
> | > | > proper browser and OS is used....
> | > | >
> | > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about
> Linux
> | > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft
> | > "borrows"
> | > a
> | > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember,
> the
> | > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code and
> | > write
> | > | > the
> | > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they can
> | > | > implement
> | > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now work
> to
> | > | > create
> | > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes
> even
> | > more
> | > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those
> | > deliberately
> | > | > DUMB devices..
> | > | >
> | > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated" or
> you
> | > can
> | > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make.
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > --
> | > | > _________
> | > | >
> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But
> you
> | > know
> | > | > as
> | > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced.
> Then
> | > we
> | > | > got
> | > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create a
> | > master
> | > | > OS
> | > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody else
> has
> | > | > come
> | > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie, Linux
> | > distros
> | > | > are
> | > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then there's
> the
> | > | > most
> | > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run
> Windows
> | > XP
> | > | > | decently using a VM!
> | > | > |
> | > | > | --
> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses
> XP
> | > [or
> | > | > even
> | > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving. Microsoft
> | > doesn't
> | > | > and
> | > | > | >> is
> | > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to
> rely
> | > upon
> | > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to
> | > follow
> | > | > its
> | > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again,
> capitalism
> | > is
> | > | > a
> | > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's
> upper-level
> | > | > quality
> | > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are
> FACTS.
> | > I
> | > | > don't
> | > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a
> snail's
> | > pace
> | > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that means
> | > little.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it!
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today,
> rather
> | > than
> | > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every day.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have
> | > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with Microsoft.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the
> OS
> | > code
> | > | > got
> | > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS
> getting
> | > | > changed
> | > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every
> hardware
> | > | > developer
> | > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users".
> Again,
> | > you
> | > | > are
> | > | > | > describing chaos.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >>Wouldn't you
> | > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping to
> | > protect
> | > | > you
> | > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so
> the
> | > | > | >> comparison
> | > | > | >> is negated].
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable
> people"?
> | > And
> | > | > how
> | > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I think
> | > abou
> | > | > tit,
> | > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable
> people"
> | > | > helping
> | > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to
> busy
> | > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to
> ALL
> | > BE
> | > ON
> | > | > THE
> | > | > | > SAME TEAM!
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret
> | > coding,
> | > | > yet
> | > | > | >> just
> | > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why
> would
> | > you
> | > | > | >> support
> | > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of
> their
> | > | > own?
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having to
> | > | > actually
> | > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you imply
> that
> | > the
> | > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that
> they
> | > are
> | > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as nasty
> as
> | > the
> | > | > ones
> | > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP
> other
> | > | > than
> | > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others
> could
> | > come
> | > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to be
> | > | > maintaining
> | > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and that
> this
> | > is
> | > | > due
> | > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to replace
> | > them,
> | > | > need
> | > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state of
> | > affairs
> | > | > to
> | > | > | > the chaos you describe.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you fight
> so
> | > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it
> | > purports
> | > | > to
> | > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own
> | > writings...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for
> | > XP/Vista/whatever?
> | > | > I
> | > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the
> dust
> | > | > settles.
> | > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now
> this
> | > | > mongrel
> | > | > | > Vista.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this
> monster
> | > | > called
> | > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages,
> provided
> | > the
> | > | > error
> | > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at
> MY
> | > cost
> | > | > the
> | > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended [verbally]
> the
> | > | > parties
> | > | > | >> who
> | > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND SUED
> for
> | > | > doing
> | > | > | >> so,
> | > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how
> dense
> | > am
> | > | > I,
> | > | > ah
> | > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes
> and
> | > which
> | > | > I
> | > | > | >> PAY
> | > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now
> | > regret....
> | > | > no
> | > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was,
> this
> 9X
> | > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the
> world
> | > | > needed
> | > | > | >> [it
> | > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate]. The
> NT
> | > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER
> recommended,
> | > has,
> | > | > per
> | > | > | >> my
> | > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or other
> | > servers.
> | > | > | >> That
> | > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false pretences
> is
> | > | > | >> something I
> | > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in
> this
> | > | > group,
> | > | > I
> | > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3
> did
> | > not
> | > | > | >> completely do.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't care
> | > about
> | > | > your
> | > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night.
> Your
> | > | > worldview
> | > | > | > is at odds with reality.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | > www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>

 

[MEB]

Re: What is Quick Time

Perhaps not, maybe some sparks were placed smoldering, maybe not... time
will tell.

You have to admit it was, at times, one of the most off topic discussions
in THIS group for quite some time.... did have some fun as the con... just
couldn't get others involved... oh well, maybe next time...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:ebAt02twIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| If you think this was a useless conversation, then my respect for you is
| greatly diminished.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:e7VhpOtwIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > Gary, this is a useless discussion. You have your thoughts which are
what
| > a
| > Windows user generally has, having never used anything else..
| >
| > So let just say, again, we agree to disagree... and leave me out of
those
| > snide little comments...
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > --
| > _________
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:eJfjTQpwIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on the
| > | > usage,
| > | > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In
my
| > | > case,
| > | > I
| > | > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users, and
| > I'll
| > | > bet
| > | > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories. Certainly
| > not
| > | > by
| > | > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you mean
by
| > | > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that
| > | > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And
how
| > many
| > | > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be counted
| > using
| > | > | Linux?
| > | >
| > | > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why.
| > |
| > | I dunno. You don't like being counted?
| > |
| > | > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's
not
| > a
| > | > cut, just a statement.
| > | > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend.
| > |
| > | > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect [can't
| > tell
| > | > you as I have no intention of disabling the block]..
| > | > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of
the
| > | > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with each
| > | > other..
| > | >
| > | > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people
| > just
| > | > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no
| > NOTHING
| > | > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails,
view
| > | > nifty
| > | > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their
computer,
| > and
| > | > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off the
| > edge
| > | > of
| > | > the world*...
| > |
| > | Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a
| > format
| > | that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best.
| > |
| > | > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in the
| > way
| > of
| > | > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And you
| > keep
| > | > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and
| > | > Microsoft's
| > | > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and
everything
| > | > else
| > | > is
| > | > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros
and
| > | > millions
| > | > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships between
| > | > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of
it.
| > I
| > | > *want*
| > | > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb and
| > | > crappy.
| > | > As
| > | > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills part
| > comes
| > | > in,
| > | > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd.
| > They
| > | > are
| > | > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it
| > except
| > in
| > | > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment.
| > | >
| > | > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do that
| > isn't
| > | > found in a Linux version or specific program?
| > |
| > | I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And in
| > any
| > | case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these
days
| > that
| > | one can write a single version of an application (or two or three,
max)
| > that
| > | will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having to
| > | personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent?
| > |
| > | > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and
| > | > devices,
| > | > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT to
| > have
| > | > no
| > | > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment
would
| > | > usually be "lead by the nose".
| > |
| > | Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want.
| > | Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for
most
| > uses
| > | I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it
or
| > not,
| > | Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you talk
| > about
| > | the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me
that
| > | YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are perfect
| > | examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the
minute,
| > | made possible for the most part by Windows.
| > |
| > | If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have met
my
| > | wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a
| > courtship
| > | via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life
we
| > have
| > | together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing business.
| > | (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for
| > either
| > | of us.)
| > |
| > | > |
| > | > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization, which
| > could
| > | > be
| > | > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is
perhaps
| > | > making
| > | > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the
| > | > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for
| > those.
| > | >
| > | > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced Unix,
| > Linux,
| > | > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world.
Granted,
| > | > home
| > | > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows was
| > used
| > | > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use
| > came
| > | > from
| > | > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous
| > | > browser... and that's about it.
| > |
| > | More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it is
| > | today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to
keep
| > to
| > | themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want
| > everyone
| > | else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.)
| > |
| > | And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself
| > through
| > | astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all
well
| > | known history. You're whining again.
| > |
| > | > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a
| > Linux/Unix
| > | > or variant?
| > |
| > | Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that
with
| > that
| > | upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish stuff
| > stuff
| > | out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these
| > internet-RUNNING
| > | machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any
| > problems,
| > to
| > | have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And
if
| > | they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible
internet
| > | hacks?
| > |
| > | > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into systems?
| > |
| > | Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest
target"
| > | paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly
| > | maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all,
easy
| > | targets for hackers.
| > |
| > | What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't allow
| > any
| > | users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and
programming
| > | computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored, like
| > | certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you
| > going
| > to
| > | get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers
| > instead
| > | of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would
| > magically
| > | cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the
| > operating
| > | system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can
| > somehow
| > | coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it
| > | impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go.
| > |
| > | > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor the
| > pace
| > | > of
| > | > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble
with
| > them
| > | > a
| > | > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a
| > hunch
| > | > or
| > | > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and
| > always
| > | > has
| > | >
| > | > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux
has
| > any
| > | > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the
| > numbers.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | >
| > | > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible people,
I
| > | > have
| > | > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual
| > | > uninformed Windows user...
| > |
| > | Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over
again
| > for
| > | ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again,
why
| > do
| > | you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking
| > cookies,
| > | scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything
| > | *malicious* at that site?
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales numbers
| > as
| > no
| > | > one
| > | > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites
| > | > statistics
| > | > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE
| > | > Microsoft's
| > | > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it APPEAR
| > to
| > be
| > | > the
| > | > | > proper browser and OS is used....
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out about
| > Linux
| > | > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft
| > | > "borrows"
| > | > a
| > | > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and remember,
| > the
| > | > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code
and
| > | > write
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they
can
| > | > | > implement
| > | > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now
work
| > to
| > | > | > create
| > | > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes
| > even
| > | > more
| > | > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those
| > | > deliberately
| > | > | > DUMB devices..
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life Illuminated"
or
| > you
| > | > can
| > | > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > _________
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great. But
| > you
| > | > know
| > | > | > as
| > | > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be replaced.
| > Then
| > | > we
| > | > | > got
| > | > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to create
a
| > | > master
| > | > | > OS
| > | > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody
else
| > has
| > | > | > come
| > | > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie,
Linux
| > | > distros
| > | > | > are
| > | > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then
there's
| > the
| > | > | > most
| > | > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run
| > Windows
| > | > XP
| > | > | > | decently using a VM!
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | --
| > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones verses
| > XP
| > | > [or
| > | > | > even
| > | > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving.
Microsoft
| > | > doesn't
| > | > | > and
| > | > | > | >> is
| > | > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has to
| > rely
| > | > upon
| > | > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures to
| > | > follow
| > | > | > its
| > | > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again,
| > capitalism
| > | > is
| > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's
| > upper-level
| > | > | > quality
| > | > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are
| > FACTS.
| > | > I
| > | > | > don't
| > | > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a
| > snail's
| > | > pace
| > | > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that
means
| > | > little.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it!
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today,
| > rather
| > | > than
| > | > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every
day.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have
| > | > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with
Microsoft.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and the
| > OS
| > | > code
| > | > | > got
| > | > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS
| > getting
| > | > | > changed
| > | > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every
| > hardware
| > | > | > developer
| > | > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users".
| > Again,
| > | > you
| > | > | > are
| > | > | > | > describing chaos.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you
| > | > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people helping
to
| > | > protect
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also so
| > the
| > | > | > | >> comparison
| > | > | > | >> is negated].
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable
| > people"?
| > | > And
| > | > | > how
| > | > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I
think
| > | > abou
| > | > | > tit,
| > | > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable
| > people"
| > | > | > helping
| > | > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people to
| > busy
| > | > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them to
| > ALL
| > | > BE
| > | > ON
| > | > | > THE
| > | > | > | > SAME TEAM!
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a secret
| > | > coding,
| > | > | > yet
| > | > | > | >> just
| > | > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]? Why
| > would
| > | > you
| > | > | > | >> support
| > | > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues of
| > their
| > | > | > own?
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without having
to
| > | > | > actually
| > | > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you
imply
| > that
| > | > the
| > | > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure, that
| > they
| > | > are
| > | > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as
nasty
| > as
| > | > the
| > | > | > ones
| > | > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to XP
| > other
| > | > | > than
| > | > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others
| > could
| > | > come
| > | > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear to
be
| > | > | > maintaining
| > | > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and
that
| > this
| > | > is
| > | > | > due
| > | > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to
replace
| > | > them,
| > | > | > need
| > | > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state
of
| > | > affairs
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > the chaos you describe.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you
fight
| > so
| > | > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what it
| > | > purports
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own
| > | > writings...
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for
| > | > XP/Vista/whatever?
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the
| > dust
| > | > | > settles.
| > | > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now
| > this
| > | > | > mongrel
| > | > | > | > Vista.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this
| > monster
| > | > | > called
| > | > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages,
| > provided
| > | > the
| > | > | > error
| > | > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and at
| > MY
| > | > cost
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended
[verbally]
| > the
| > | > | > parties
| > | > | > | >> who
| > | > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND
SUED
| > for
| > | > | > doing
| > | > | > | >> so,
| > | > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING [how
| > dense
| > | > am
| > | > | > I,
| > | > | > ah
| > | > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft trashes
| > and
| > | > which
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > | >> PAY
| > | > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now
| > | > regret....
| > | > | > no
| > | > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was,
| > this
| > 9X
| > | > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT the
| > world
| > | > | > needed
| > | > | > | >> [it
| > | > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate].
The
| > NT
| > | > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER
| > recommended,
| > | > has,
| > | > | > per
| > | > | > | >> my
| > | > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or
other
| > | > servers.
| > | > | > | >> That
| > | > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false
pretences
| > is
| > | > | > | >> something I
| > | > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago in
| > this
| > | > | > group,
| > | > | > I
| > | > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which SP3
| > did
| > | > not
| > | > | > | >> completely do.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't
care
| > | > about
| > | > | > your
| > | > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night.
| > Your
| > | > | > worldview
| > | > | > | > is at odds with reality.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > | > www.grystmill.com
| > | > | > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > | > --
| > | > _________
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: What is Quick Time

We shall see.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Orv1kfuwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> Perhaps not, maybe some sparks were placed smoldering, maybe not... time
> will tell.
>
> You have to admit it was, at times, one of the most off topic discussions
> in THIS group for quite some time.... did have some fun as the con... just
> couldn't get others involved... oh well, maybe next time...
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:ebAt02twIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | If you think this was a useless conversation, then my respect for you is
> | greatly diminished.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:e7VhpOtwIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > Gary, this is a useless discussion. You have your thoughts which are
> what
> | > a
> | > Windows user generally has, having never used anything else..
> | >
> | > So let just say, again, we agree to disagree... and leave me out of
> those
> | > snide little comments...
> | >
> | > --
> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > --
> | > _________
> | >
> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > news:eJfjTQpwIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > |
> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | news:OHH8jviwIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > news:ehpJ3fhwIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | There must be SOME kind of survey that reports decent stats on
> the
> | > | > usage,
> | > | > | particularly in the industrial and large commercial settings. In
> my
> | > | > case,
> | > | > I
> | > | > | freely admit that "my" public consists of home and SOHO users,
> and
> | > I'll
> | > | > bet
> | > | > | the web stats aren't at all far off in those categories.
> Certainly
> | > not
> | > | > by
> | > | > | any large order of magnitude. Besides, I don't know what you
> mean
> by
> | > | > | "Windows information web sites." Are you trying to say that
> | > | > | http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php is somehow rigged? And
> how
> | > many
> | > | > | sites REQUIRE IE such that you can't even get there to be
> counted
> | > using
> | > | > | Linux?
> | > | >
> | > | > Ah, that site is completely blocked in my HOSTS file, guess why.
> | > |
> | > | I dunno. You don't like being counted?
> | > |
> | > | > Your base consists of those computers you know how to fix, that's
> not
> | > a
> | > | > cut, just a statement.
> | > | > AND you direct those parties move to what YOU recommend.
> | > |
> | > | > And no, the stats may not be wrong, but what do they reflect
> [can't
> | > tell
> | > | > you as I have no intention of disabling the block]..
> | > | > The intent of the computer age was to INCREASE the intelligence of
> the
> | > | > world and to allow the people of the world to communicate with
> each
> | > | > other..
> | > | >
> | > | > IN STARK constrast, we find what actually occurred was that people
> | > just
> | > | > bitched and complained until they find an OS which they need no
> | > NOTHING
> | > | > about to use, so they can pirate software and music, send emails,
> view
> | > | > nifty
> | > | > Flash objects, steal DVD movies, watch TV programs on their
> computer,
> | > and
> | > | > .... meanwhile, the intelligence level seems to have *fallen off
> the
> | > edge
> | > | > of
> | > | > the world*...
> | > |
> | > | Exactly my thesis. You want to force the computer world into such a
> | > format
> | > | that a user MUST learn. Quixotic at best.
> | > |
> | > | > | As I said, maybe when I get the time. But I don't see much in
> the
> | > way
> | > of
> | > | > | application support out there, much less hardware support. And
> you
> | > keep
> | > | > | ignoring my main point: All your whining about dumb devices and
> | > | > Microsoft's
> | > | > | stealing (let's not be coy, we both know they do it), and
> everything
> | > | > else
> | > | > is
> | > | > | meaningless to me. A world built upon innumerable Linux distros
> and
> | > | > millions
> | > | > | of independent programmers, and tons of tiny partnerships
> between
> | > | > | programmers and hardware developers... I don't want any part of
> it.
> | > I
> | > | > *want*
> | > | > | mass marketed and standardized products, even if they're dumb
> and
> | > | > crappy.
> | > | > As
> | > | > | does most of the world. That's where the tilting at windmills
> part
> | > comes
> | > | > in,
> | > | > | and I don't mean just you, I mean the whole utopian Linux crowd.
> | > They
> | > | > are
> | > | > | invaluable to society, but they will never come near ruling it
> | > except
> | > in
> | > | > | some self-satisfied sense of accomplishment.
> | > | >
> | > | > What application don't you find? What is it that you need to do
> that
> | > isn't
> | > | > found in a Linux version or specific program?
> | > |
> | > | I already mentioned Photoshop. Add Illustrator. Add MS Access. And
> in
> | > any
> | > | case, are you saying that the Linux crowd has it so together these
> days
> | > that
> | > | one can write a single version of an application (or two or three,
> max)
> | > that
> | > | will run near flawlessly on any modern Linux distro, WITHOUT having
> to
> | > | personally, manually, reprogram the OS to some certain extent?
> | > |
> | > | > SO you WANT to be forced every few years to buy a new computer and
> | > | > devices,
> | > | > you WANT to be forced to upgrade when support is pulled, you WANT
> to
> | > have
> | > | > no
> | > | > control on what your OS does, you WANT to ... well, the comment
> would
> | > | > usually be "lead by the nose".
> | > |
> | > | Yup, as part of the capitalist masses, that's exactly what I want.
> | > | Idiot-proofing, with just enough leeway to customize as needed for
> most
> | > uses
> | > | I could ever possibly want to put my machine to. Whether you like it
> or
> | > not,
> | > | Windows provides just that. And I want NEW, NEW, NEW!!! Hey, you
> talk
> | > about
> | > | the internet being intended to improve communications, seems to me
> that
> | > | YouTube, My Space, the older fashioned Chat rooms, et al, are
> perfect
> | > | examples of success. And all of these technologies change by the
> minute,
> | > | made possible for the most part by Windows.
> | > |
> | > | If it weren't for cheap, cobbled-together Windows, I'd never have
> met
> my
> | > | wife in a Yahoo! Chat room, I'd never have been able to maintain a
> | > courtship
> | > | via ICQ for a year, and we'd never have been able to build what life
> we
> | > have
> | > | together without Windows machines to run our HOME publishing
> business.
> | > | (Things were always such that a "normal" 9-5 life is impossible for
> | > either
> | > | of us.)
> | > |
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Now, I grant you that Linux lends itself to specialization,
> which
> | > could
> | > | > be
> | > | > | wonderful in large networks in large companies, and Linux is
> perhaps
> | > | > making
> | > | > | inroads there. But I'm betting it's just as slow going as in the
> | > | > | personal/SOHO market. Then again, you say we have no stats for
> | > those.
> | > | >
> | > | > Gary, what all Windows user forget, is that Windows displaced
> Unix,
> | > Linux,
> | > | > Xnix, IBM DOS, and variants from the home and business world.
> Granted,
> | > | > home
> | > | > usage during that time period was infantismal. The FIRST Windows
> was
> | > used
> | > | > because it looked GRAPHICAL. Everything used within it for NET use
> | > came
> | > | > from
> | > | > third parties. Microsoft limped into the picture with a rediculous
> | > | > browser... and that's about it.
> | > |
> | > | More irrelevant facts. So what? Microsoft MADE the internet what it
> is
> | > | today, by mass marketing stuff that the nerds all seemed to want to
> keep
> | > to
> | > | themselves. (I don't think the vast majority of nerds really want
> | > everyone
> | > | else to be nerds. That would mean they aren't special anymore.)
> | > |
> | > | And your continuous harping on the fact that Microsoft built itself
> | > through
> | > | astute business deals and/or less reputable shenanigans, that's all
> well
> | > | known history. You're whining again.
> | > |
> | > | > Here's somethiing, how many servers RUNNING the Internet use a
> | > Linux/Unix
> | > | > or variant?
> | > |
> | > | Quite a few, maybe most of them. What's your point? I presume that
> with
> | > that
> | > | upper case RUNNING, you weren't including servers that just dish
> stuff
> | > stuff
> | > | out to people *using* the internet. Hey, I'd expect these
> | > internet-RUNNING
> | > | machines to be well-maintained and constantly monitored for any
> | > problems,
> | > to
> | > | have a LOT of manpower devoted to keeping them online and clean. And
> if
> | > | they're so good, why can't they intervene to stop all possible
> internet
> | > | hacks?
> | > |
> | > | > What is the number one server being used to put hacks into
> systems?
> | > |
> | > | Windows IIS, I would imagine. Don't forget the "biggest, easiest
> target"
> | > | paradigm. It is to be assumed that most such servers are also poorly
> | > | maintained by less than perfectly knowledgable people. All in all,
> easy
> | > | targets for hackers.
> | > |
> | > | What's your point? That the internet would be safer if it didn't
> allow
> | > any
> | > | users to use it without a college degree in maintaining and
> programming
> | > | computers? That they should at least be regulated and monitored,
> like
> | > | certain other professionals in our society? Man, just WHERE are you
> | > going
> | > to
> | > | get these people? Or are you saying that if these were Linux servers
> | > instead
> | > | of Windows servers, internet hacks, D.O.S. attacks, etc., would
> | > magically
> | > | cease to occur? I don't buy that for one second. The key isn't the
> | > operating
> | > | system, it's the people who run/use them. But if you think you can
> | > somehow
> | > | coerce people into knowing what they're doing, first, by making it
> | > | impossible to use a computer otherwise... Back to La Mancha you go.
> | > |
> | > | > | Still, I don't see those Web stats changing very quickly, nor
> the
> | > pace
> | > | > of
> | > | > | that change changing very quickly. And while you might quibble
> with
> | > them
> | > | > a
> | > | > | bit, you can't go changing them by orders of magnitude just on a
> | > hunch
> | > | > or
> | > | > | based upon magazines, blogs, etc. The potential of Linux is and
> | > always
> | > | > has
> | > | >
> | > | > | been just that--potential. If you want to convince me that Linux
> has
> | > any
> | > | > | near-term chance to save the world from XP, then let's have the
> | > numbers.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | --
> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | >
> | > | > I'd suggest getting a better reference,,, like most sensible
> people,
> I
> | > | > have
> | > | > that site completely blocked, so that likely leaves JUST the usual
> | > | > uninformed Windows user...
> | > |
> | > | Hey, PAY ATTENTION!!! I've been asking you over and over and over
> again
> | > for
> | > | ANY such reference you can provide, and you apparently can't. Again,
> why
> | > do
> | > | you block that site? For the same silly reason people fear tracking
> | > cookies,
> | > | scripts, etc.? You can't honestly be claiming thatt there's anything
> | > | *malicious* at that site?
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | news:O1wWd%23gwIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > Wrong. The free Linux versions don't read into the sales
> numbers
> | > as
> | > no
> | > | > one
> | > | > | > knows how many are being run... Windows information web sites
> | > | > statistics
> | > | > | > also are not reflective of use, nor are sites which REQUIRE
> | > | > Microsoft's
> | > | > | > browsers, Linux users run these in an envelope to make it
> APPEAR
> | > to
> | > be
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > proper browser and OS is used....
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > I would suggest you actually spend some time finding out
> about
> | > Linux
> | > | > | > before making comments on what it can or can not do. Microsoft
> | > | > "borrows"
> | > | > a
> | > | > | > good percentage of its ideas FROM the Linux world, and
> remember,
> | > the
> | > | > | > programmers for Linux must generally first pull the chip code
> and
> | > | > write
> | > | > | > the
> | > | > | > drivers from that information, for the most part, before they
> can
> | > | > | > implement
> | > | > | > it. Moreover, as Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers now
> work
> | > to
> | > | > | > create
> | > | > | > ever dumber devices [making them OS supported only] it becomes
> | > even
> | > | > more
> | > | > | > difficult for the Linux community to apply and support those
> | > | > deliberately
> | > | > | > DUMB devices..
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Do some research... as my daughter says "Live Life
> Illuminated"
> or
> | > you
> | > | > can
> | > | > | > remain in the dark, that's a personal choice you will make.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > _________
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:O3zDBhfwIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | That was harsh, and so I should add... Yes, 98 was great.
> But
> | > you
> | > | > know
> | > | > | > as
> | > | > | > | well as I do that it had fatal flaws. It *had* to be
> replaced.
> | > Then
> | > | > we
> | > | > | > got
> | > | > | > | what we got from MS, which I recognize as an attempt to
> create
> a
> | > | > master
> | > | > | > OS
> | > | > | > | that would run in all kinds of "interwoven" devices. Nobody
> else
> | > has
> | > | > | > come
> | > | > | > | close to stepping up to the plate, yet. Numbers don't lie,
> Linux
> | > | > distros
> | > | > | > are
> | > | > | > | flat, and it's not like they aren't being marketed. Then
> there's
> | > the
> | > | > | > most
> | > | > | > | recent thing to decently boost Mac sales. The ability to run
> | > Windows
> | > | > XP
> | > | > | > | decently using a VM!
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | --
> | > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | news:%23dJr$aewIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | > | > news:%23bI12MdwIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > | > | > | >> Gary, you're wrong or uninformed.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Hey, I'm just looking at the numbers.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >> Check out the comparisons to the newest Linux clones
> verses
> | > XP
> | > | > [or
> | > | > | > even
> | > | > | > | >> VISTA]. You can't ignore where the world is moving.
> Microsoft
> | > | > doesn't
> | > | > | > and
> | > | > | > | >> is
> | > | > | > | >> concerned. Between Apple and these clones, Microsoft has
> to
> | > rely
> | > | > upon
> | > | > | > | >> uniformed people to use its OSs, and coerce manufactures
> to
> | > | > follow
> | > | > | > its
> | > | > | > | >> designs, and force the use of its OSs.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Again, the story is in the numbers -- FACTS. And again,
> | > capitalism
> | > | > is
> | > | > | > a
> | > | > | > | > FACT. The vast uninformed society is a FACT. Apple's
> | > upper-level
> | > | > | > quality
> | > | > | > | > (and price) are FACTS. Microsoft's predatory practices are
> | > FACTS.
> | > | > I
> | > | > | > don't
> | > | > | > | > dispute that "the world is moving", but it's moving at a
> | > snail's
> | > | > pace
> | > | > | > | > toward something nobody can yet foresee.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >> XP may suit your purposes, obviously it does, but that
> means
> | > | > little.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Means a heck of a lot to me and everyone who uses it!
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >> Wouldn't you rather run an OS which can be changed today,
> | > rather
> | > | > than
> | > | > | > | >> waiting a month or never, to have something fixed.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > No. I would not want my machine used as a test box every
> day.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you rather have
> | > | > | > | >> manufacturers working WITH users, rather than with
> Microsoft.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Work with users in what way? I'd rather the hardware and
> the
> | > OS
> | > | > code
> | > | > | > got
> | > | > | > | > along, thank you, and I don't think it should be the OS
> | > getting
> | > | > | > changed
> | > | > | > | > every day in order to keep up with every whim of every
> | > hardware
> | > | > | > developer
> | > | > | > | > out there, much less the hardware manufacturers' "users".
> | > Again,
> | > | > you
> | > | > | > are
> | > | > | > | > describing chaos.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >>Wouldn't you
> | > | > | > | >> rather have thousands of code knowledgeable people
> helping
> to
> | > | > protect
> | > | > | > you
> | > | > | > | >> [with the opposite of course, but that's in Windows also
> so
> | > the
> | > | > | > | >> comparison
> | > | > | > | >> is negated].
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > Where do you get these "thousands of code-knowledgeable
> | > people"?
> | > | > And
> | > | > | > how
> | > | > | > | > am I supposed to choose who to listen to? No, now that I
> think
> | > | > abou
> | > | > | > tit,
> | > | > | > | > the LAST thing I want is a bunch of "code-knowledgeable
> | > people"
> | > | > | > helping
> | > | > | > | > me. I want other USERS helping me. I want the code people
> to
> | > busy
> | > | > | > | > themselves keeping the code in good order and I want them
> to
> | > ALL
> | > | > BE
> | > | > ON
> | > | > | > THE
> | > | > | > | > SAME TEAM!
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >> Don't you wonder why Windows is supposedly mostly a
> secret
> | > | > coding,
> | > | > | > yet
> | > | > | > | >> just
> | > | > | > | >> about everyone can hack it [from 7 or 8 year olds up]?
> Why
> | > would
> | > | > you
> | > | > | > | >> support
> | > | > | > | >> a system in which the key features cause numerous issues
> of
> | > their
> | > | > | > own?
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > No, I never wondered that. I knew the answer without
> having
> to
> | > | > | > actually
> | > | > | > | > ask the question. It's akin to a law of nature. But you
> imply
> | > that
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > | > other OSes are hack proof, or inherently less insecure,
> that
> | > they
> | > | > are
> | > | > | > | > without faults in logic, without vulnerabilities just as
> nasty
> | > as
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > ones
> | > | > | > | > you bemoan in WIndows, and that's a crock.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > And you still don't get it -- I have no big attachment to
> XP
> | > other
> | > | > | > than
> | > | > | > | > it's what gets the job done for me and none of the others
> | > could
> | > | > come
> | > | > | > | > close. My only other observation is that XP/Vista appear
> to
> be
> | > | > | > maintaining
> | > | > | > | > their share, or losing it at a snails pace at worst, and
> that
> | > this
> | > | > is
> | > | > | > due
> | > | > | > | > to basic capitalism. Microsoft, or anyone who seeks to
> replace
> | > | > them,
> | > | > | > need
> | > | > | > | > a brand new bag altogether, but I prefer the current state
> of
> | > | > affairs
> | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > | > the chaos you describe.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >> Ask yourself why you WOULD ignore these things, why you
> fight
> | > so
> | > | > | > | >> desperately to further an OS which you admit is not what
> it
> | > | > purports
> | > | > | > to
> | > | > | > | >> be.... Your ideas and arguments fall flat, by your own
> | > | > writings...
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > How is it that you keep seeing me as "fighting" for
> | > | > XP/Vista/whatever?
> | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > | > have no dog in this fight. I just want the winner when the
> | > dust
> | > | > | > settles.
> | > | > | > | > For the last several years, that's been Windows XP and now
> | > this
> | > | > | > mongrel
> | > | > | > | > Vista.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | >> Gary, the reason I'M here, is I have a small part in this
> | > monster
> | > | > | > called
> | > | > | > | >> Microsoft. I participated in the very earliest stages,
> | > provided
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > error
> | > | > | > | >> reports and suggestions, downloaded by long distance and
> at
> | > MY
> | > | > cost
> | > | > | > the
> | > | > | > | >> files by 2400 then 14.4 then 33.6 modem, defended
> [verbally]
> | > the
> | > | > | > parties
> | > | > | > | >> who
> | > | > | > | >> brought windows to the business world and were FIRED AND
> SUED
> | > for
> | > | > | > doing
> | > | > | > | >> so,
> | > | > | > | >> did the beta testing until Microsoft started CHARGING
> [how
> | > dense
> | > | > am
> | > | > | > I,
> | > | > | > ah
> | > | > | > | >> yeah, I supply the computer system which Microsoft
> trashes
> | > and
> | > | > which
> | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > | >> PAY
> | > | > | > | >> to have trashed] and a number of other things which I now
> | > | > regret....
> | > | > | > no
> | > | > | > | >> matter how trivial or insignificant my part or input was,
> | > this
> | > 9X
> | > | > | > | >> environment is something I participated in and THOUGHT
> the
> | > world
> | > | > | > needed
> | > | > | > | >> [it
> | > | > | > | >> was, it brought computing to the masses as you indicate].
> The
> | > NT
> | > | > | > | >> environment, which I also worked with though NEVER
> | > recommended,
> | > | > has,
> | > | > | > per
> | > | > | > | >> my
> | > | > | > | >> own testing, never been a good replacement for Unix or
> other
> | > | > servers.
> | > | > | > | >> That
> | > | > | > | >> it was forced into the home environment under false
> pretences
> | > is
> | > | > | > | >> something I
> | > | > | > | >> can not support. My position on XP was stated YEARS ago
> in
> | > this
> | > | > | > group,
> | > | > | > I
> | > | > | > | >> will never recommend it unless something changes, which
> SP3
> | > did
> | > | > not
> | > | > | > | >> completely do.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > As PA Bear implied, you tend toward the Quixotic. I don't
> care
> | > | > about
> | > | > | > your
> | > | > | > | > theories and academic opinions, your howling in the night.
> | > Your
> | > | > | > worldview
> | > | > | > | > is at odds with reality.
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | > | > | > --
> | > | > | > | > Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | > | > | > www.grystmill.com
> | > | > | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> | > | > --
> | > | > _________
> | > | >
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